Inliytened1

It's almost like a brain washing because If you tell them this they will respond with its just happening but no one is doing it. It's just happening. The body may turn when your name is called but no one is turning. It's really sad to see. It's a bastardization of spirituality and a demonization of the ego and it's sad to see. It's the neo-advaita trap.

@Razard86 nice...if i may i will add that one has to realize no self before one can realize Self. With self inquiry this can happen in the same awakening because the ego consciousness will give way to God Consciousness. I don't see it happening in separate awakening but perhaps with psychedelics it does. .

This is all true but I think he means the Self with a capital S. The Formless One. Language is second order but when you become the Formless One you will sit back and say "Oh my God. I'm God. I AM." And you shall smile.

@Someone here thats a really good way to put it...for them it became a religion. They took a nugget - from actual enlightenment- that the self is an illusion- and ran with it instead of actually realizing no self directly and dying. Many of these folks will poo poo mysticism which is true spirituality. And they will say there is no one to die or to have mystical experiences- which is the irony in it all because then they miss out on God. I don't want to demonize but as you said this is an awful trap to fall prey to. Oh and nice profile pic ?

@Someone here very good post I hope your words are heeded.

Consciousness if infinite and takes different states.

@RMQualtrough welcome home. All that is now left is awakening.

Watch your bias towards gays.

You sound like Trump now. Realize that.

@Leo Gura There has to be something- for God's sake. But that doesn't get to the root of his issue. His issue stems from a lack of awakening. Conceptually he is correct. Not knowing is Truth. But he fails to come full circle into Infinite Knowing.

@RMQualtrough I think what you are basically saying is Being is prior to knowing and not knowing is Truth. Am I correct?

This is the limitations of language. Call whatever whatever. Being or becoming it is prior to what you call it. What he is talking about is identifying with the Self. And he thinks this doesn't exist.

You are beginning to sound like @Nahm ...hard to understand yet there is some logic behind the madness. Please try to make your posts graspable by all.

The key that we realized from this thread is that you don't have to realize it to be it - and he is right there. It doesn't change reality but at the same time it also doesn't change what you are. Reality is paradoxical.

I get it. God is prior to realizing it is God. That is all you say here and it is correct. You can be without identifying as being. But this doesn't negate what you are.

Reality is not external to you.

Ok sorry. Heck the more awakened beings here the better. He was a bit immature and I don't sense that from you. Anyways - welcome aboard.

Thanks for your honesty. I kinda had a feeling ?

I only recently started seeing your posts for some reason but all of your stuff has been right on the money. Thank you for your contributions here. And welcome since I never got a chance. You are obviously one of the few here who has had legit enlightenment. Hopefully you aren't @Michael Jackson who (I know was awake) has since vanished from the forum and is your only follower.

@Holykael God didn't limit himself from imagining his own personal hell. And boy did you leverage that freedom. You can also imagine your own personal Perfection. But hey, your life.

You become God. You become red. Thus you ARE God. Thus, you ARE red. When we say I we are recontexualizing the meaning of I. @amanen hit on it. The key is identity. When you become it you identify AS it. This is implicit. That's what we mean by I. Not the ego although that is a form of I.

You cannot open another's mind. But you can try ..like this guy. https://youtu.be/pbj4Te_guxY

Welcome back dude!!!

You are mistaking language for what he is pointing at here. When you do awaken you will realize self is an illusion but your identity shifts to Self. Self has the intelligence to be able to identify with itself. But don't mistake that with the finite "I". It is all encompassing.

Thanks well you have said you had some awakenings yourself when we talked correct? How have things been going since? As for othet tools - Self inquiry, meditation (namely do nothing meditation and concentration meditation) . While listening to Leo's original enlightenment videos. Yes I would want everyone to awaken if it were possible. However you as the ego will die and the ego doesn't take to dying very well. Not everyone is mentally stable enough to awaken - as there are some very rough periods where you will feel like you are losing your mind. It doesn't mean people with mental illness can't awaken but there needs be a degree of level headedness. But even with the rough patches - the Bliss and Divinity make that all worth it. But just as a rabbit will never become enlightened - most beings won't either. I stopped worrying about everything. And It really takes the fear of death away. That doesn't mean I want to die - so I am still cautious. But you won't panic about stuff like you did in the past. You also see the Divinity in everything after experiencing God. It makes reality magical. You don't worry about your mortality or your physical ailments so much anymore.