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Exactly! Those are perfect examples! so there you go...

It's not. It's just pure suffering in finite form. But if the deep longing causes you suffering, it will have the same affect.

Yes I know it was sober, impressive. Because I know you took psychedelics as well. But have you realized Solipsism? I mean utlimately this must be the ultimate conclusion. You must know that if you are ahead of us. Do you not believe that you are all of God? After all, if you do realize that you are all of God, that you are Pure Consciousness and Oneness - then you must also know that there cannot be "other" , other than in your imagination. That is the ultimate realization and the one thing holding one back from God realization.

Thank you friend. You know you are dear to me. I am saying something deeper in the post though - I'm saying it is a an absolute requirement for awakening to yourself as God. Without it, you cannot awaken. That is what I am saying. I am not saying it is the only component, but I am stating that it is the catalyst. Meditation is not the catalyst. Nor are psychedelics. That's a bold claim I'm making, but it is from direct experience.

So if suffering isn't the only answer, whats the secret ingredients?

So basically, the question is null and void in your opinion because there is nothing wrong with suicide. Actually suicide is Enlightnement, because reality is consciousness, so there is no death, really. That's a very interesting take and actually it's quite correct. I just think it would be cooler if God could realize itself without just ending the life of the form and never knowing it was God. But what I think happens here is Consciousness. Rats don't wake up - they go through their whole life, and never awaken. So why would some humans awaken, if there level of consciousness wasn't high enough. And now again - solipsism wipes this all clean.

Haha.. Awakening isn't mandatory. I guess a lot go through life and never know the difference. But why does God want to realize himself in only some forms? Does he have a bias to certain form?. It's interesting. It's paradoxical because you have deduce that either its random, or God just wants to awaken itself in certain forms. But again, because of Solipsism, this question is null and void, but its fun to just imagine.

Yeah, It comes down to the suffering becoming so strong that you are faced with death. You can die, and just give up basically. Or you can realize you are God and escape it. And come back to fight another day. That's what I think God realization is about.

I disagree with leo on certain aspects of enlightenment so I am not okay with everything he says. but he is right about a TON. a ton. But there are a few things he is wrong about, and that's OK. It is just where he is at on the path. And that's just my perspective. For all i know, in his reality, he has everything right. And so could you - So 'm not discounting your enlightnement by any means. But ahead of "us" I just don't understand what that means, Please explain.

@Arthogaanwell, actually i do know the answer to my own question. It's because there is only me. I don't like to face that most times, that other people are imaginary. it's hard to swallow, so I normally don't go there. But you don't have to answer, because I already know. It's just so fucked up. Its super fucked up. Of course, that's just my perspective, that isn't God's. So to God, the nature of reality doesn't depend on what we think about it. And i realize that it must be this way. It must, because of Oneness.

Excactly. But still - i still wonder why some who suffer so deep don't awaken. - They commit suicide. I don't understand. Maybe Leo will put a video out on this - i mean, he's the genius. But I just wonder why some awaken via suffering and some don't. Maybe they never got exposed to spirituality or maybe their mind just didn't expand enough.

What do you mean by being way ahead, and whats this new material you are referring to? I would be interested in hearing about it, and I won't ban you or anything, so don't worry about that. But one thing I will say, is that we have all checked our ego at the door. There isn't really one person ahead of another here, we're all on the path.

We talked some time last year and you had not really awoken yet. Obviously that has changed. I am sorry I didn't give you the respect you deserved before for that - there are not many enlightened beings on this forum, there are only a handful. It is really good to be with you.

It truly is. It is so remarkable. I know we have our struggles in everyday life. I certainly have them. But God realization just sets you completely free. And you don't have to kill the physical body to do it, that's whats so beautiful about it.

Yeah. But did you really know how actually "required" it is? we never talk about that. We just talk about meditation and psychedelics. Yes, we knew that if you put yourself into immense suffering alone like Christ did on the stake then you would become God - but honestly it never really hit home for me until now. It's MANDATORY.

Thanks brother, I love you. It is a miracle. But we are one.

Thank you Princess

Damn - that's fucking awesome. I didn't mean to derail the thread guys - started a new one on suffering.

My God its still happening.

What do you think about my thoughts on suffering. I always knew it was paramount in awakening - but why didn't i realize that not only is it paramount, it is CRUCIAL? It's actually required! Thats something that is really not stated enough here. This is for natural awakening, not using psychedelics. Even then, with psycehdelics, I think that you would have had to have undergone some type of suffering before hand to be able to release the ego.

I really needed it too, I had some deep suffering the past few days with something that happened, and I felt like i had no hope. Only God realization saved me. The more i look back now, on my awakenings, I realize that suffering was so paramount in all of them. It was the catalyst. That is probably why Leo couldn't wake up without psychedelics. Because the suffering was not there, prior to the meditation.

Because he can't capture himself that way, he has to capture himself with direct being. I'm sorry i didn't read your question correctly. He couldn't create a word to capture the Inifnite. All words are finite so he was screwed.

yes brother - God is Nothing and Everything and Love. I had an awakening tonight. I felt God's love wash over me for probably two hours. it was unreal. It was me. The real me, not the ego me. The thing or the no thing behind the ego. That's God.

God is Nothing, but Nothing is Everything. God is the collapse of all duality.

It's a man made label - its language. God didn't create the word God, that is a human thing. So in a sense "he" did - because who else would? You incarnated into a human as God and then made up the word. God is brilliant isn't "he"?