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@Mvpjouney that's the awakening part...I can't really explain that part- it is mystical. But if I were to try to explain it - which is all that we are doing here..I would say it is mystical. It's not a conceptual realization that the "i" is an illusion. It is literal and actual. The "i" actually falls away leaving only pure Consciousness. It is beautiful. It is something that really can't be captured with words. If it could - it wouldn't be awakening.

Enter self inquiry. The key is an insight or a recognition into your true nature. This is enlightenment in a nutshell. If you realize what you think you are was an illusion - in that moment there will be a mystical shift. Conditioning has nothing to do with it. It is about realization and that's why it is called God Realization. In that mystical shift you will become God. Simply now I must warn you. Because you - if you do it right - you will indeed die. There is no guarantee you will come back. If you are prepared to accept the cost - then you just might reap the reward. But it is almost better to not know the cost. Just enter self inquiry with ignorance of any spiritual dogma. You are much better off. Because the ego will use this to corrupt your inquiry. Good luck. And combine this inquiry with sitting in actuality. Stare at your hand for weeks on end.

Awesome. I love it For many - they are not self aware of the ego. They are within the ego. To look outside the ego- that's hard. But what is actually easy is spirituality. And yet the ego wants to steer you away from true spirituality. It brings you instead to religion - because that feeds its power.

In his defense he does not think this. I know him long enough to know that. He is simply saying that Truth exists in both the relative and the Absolute domains. But where I side with you is that while this is true, you won't become God realized in the relative domain.

Start speaking with your own words or you will be kicked out of here. I'm tired of seeing the stuff you've picked up from books. Speak from your own heart. This is why you aren't Awake yet. Because you got caught up in all the hoopla

Here's where it goes full circle into what you are saying. You need a method of teaching. If you awoke a certain way, you will teach that way. And that's OK. We can't just say you will awaken every which way. There has to be the relative or a particular way in terms of the teaching. We could say that it is every which way i guess - but then there would be no need for teaching at all. Which is where the relative domain exists.

None if it is a conspiracy. It's just what people have been born into. If you aren't Awake how can you plot against Awakening? Your job is to keep the mind open and entertain all possibilities. If you do that, you have a shot. This is why we speak of genetics. Most people just don't have it in them to think outside the box or to keep the mind open. They are born into one thing and they never ponder if there could be anything outside of that.

Alright look. I'm going to wave the white flag here. You are correct. Awakening does one thing - it makes you so much more conscious. But that consciousness was already building through your life experiences. You gain consciousness every day. Every hour. Awakening just explodes you into a complete state of Godhood - and being completely omniscient. But that omniscience could care less about egoic desires, addictions. Or the overcoming of them. It cares only about a complete understanding of itself as God. All of that other stuff doesn't even exist. The stuff of addiction - the stuff of boredom - this is the stuff of the ego. Where I raise the flag is that the ego is also God, so the ego brings something back. It brings awareness back. The challenge then, as it was for Alan Watts, is if you WANT to entertain a Godlike existence as the ego. You may WANT to fall into the selfishness of the ego - or allow yourself to do so. That is your choice as God. Death is no longer a fear to you - not really.

And I say don't completely throw that away...maybe to realize the Absolute you must leave the relative. And then, you can come back and say "hey wow - the relative was always the Truth right there in front of me - I just never knew it". So the non-dual talk that you think is not so non-dual, well - perhaps it is.

Umm no. You say this because you aren't enlightened. And you're not. So don't pretend that you are. And Being is not so different from knowing - after all the Absolute and the relative are indeed one. Isn't that your whole point,? So be careful about tripping on your own words.

I don't get that sense. I don't get the sense that he is saying there is no self or no people. If you want someone that was like that - go back and read the posts by @VeganAwake.

It is being lucid but you still don't know what happens next. There are things you have intentionally separated from yourself to make them outside of your control. The interesting about this though is that sometimes you can still tap in and see how you are doing it all.

Life is form and form is attachment.

That's not what you really believe. You really believe you are an entity. An entity behind the eyes. Here is where it really gets good. Try and place this entity anywhere in time and space. Try and pinpoint the entity. That is self inquiry. I thought this entity was a soul. But I was wrong.

You are overcomplicating self inquiry. Let me ask you this - what do you think you are ? Really answer it. Don't dodge the question. Really look at the question and answer it to what you believe you are. Not whar AI thinks you are - but what you think you are.

I have many but you would have to go back to 2018. Meditation is really about.doing notning. Letting thoughts just come and go. Sitting in not knowing. The other is self inquiring into what you are. Let me ask you this - right now, if you had to say what you truly are, what would it be? Whatever that is, enlightenment lies behind realizing that is an illusion.

No that one sucks. Listen to his very first enlightenment videos. Those he has self inquiry nested in before he got all wrapped up. He didn't know what he had. Those are gold.

Well...i tip my hat to you. Honestly its guys like you and Leo that i truly admire. Spirituality and even enlightenment came easy to me.... For me it took two decades of suffering and two weeks of meditation. So I tip my hat. I would ask if you found what you were looking for..but I know that it really doesn't matter.

I was truly hoping you would say that. But you put it better than I ever could.

What I meant with that statement is that it's going to sound weird to a normie when we talk about not knowing or direct experience. And that's OK. Yes - in a sense though, the relative domain must always pertain to enlightenment because it is all of your relative experiences that may one day lead you to take yourself out of the relative domain. So yes, paradoxically oneness does prevail. But I think you stray from the point he was making.

I said enlightenment- not Truth.

There is nothing in the relative domain that has anything to do with enlightenment - Truth is found in not knowing. He is right. It doesn't mean that knowing isn't Truth - or that the relative domain isnt Truth as well - it just means to realize it might just require not knowing.

Those things have nothing to do with enlightenment.

That's the sad part. Spirituality shouldn't be like that. For the Spiritualiy gifted there is no commitment. It happens without any effort. The commitment comes after if you decide to teach or spread the word. But I shutter when you put it in the same category as a career path. It should be as far from ego as humanly possible. Yes, the ego has to have the initial curiosity. But is that ego, or is that your true nature shining through? You say there is the whole ego thing but you won't get into that - but actually - it's all about that dichotomy.

I hope it happens. But sadly, it won't make much of a dent in society's lack of open mindedness towards non-duality.