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I disagree. I think they're more contributory to violence than explicit, occasional calls for it from someone like Trump. Of course both contribute, but these 3 voices prime the violence. Without the prime, there's often no start.

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I mean, yeah, they're not explicitly calling for violence - it's just in the subtext of more than half of their messaging. Bannon's podcast is called the War Room. Tucker Carlson puts all his life energy into pouring fuel on the culture war fire. Elon Musk has followed suit. "Hey, you good patriots - look at this vile and disgusting stuff - and look at who delights in it, and look at how this is bad for you". Violence isn't their goal, but they're continuously nurturing the conditions for its manifestation and they're indifferent to it. Semantically, you're right. They aren't calling for violence - they're just daily handing out ammunition. Crafting and handing out weapons isn't technically calling for violence.

No, you have to look at pattern and intent of the one stoking shit. These guys aren’t just out here calling a spade a spade, engaging in honest, open dialog, just sharing their viewpoints. Their intent is personal gain through division. This is violent.

In this case with these 3, yes it is. If tensions are high between group A and group B on a playground, and Musk draws up a sign that makes group B even more angry at A and then parades in front of them with it, that is calling for violence, just non-verbally. These 3 do this nearly daily.

To intentionally and consistently anger millions of people is calling for violence.

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Haha, bro, he didn’t hold it because he needed plausible deniability. Musk intentionally did a Nazi salute, but not because he’s a Nazi.

They call for violence through doublespeak and subtext all the time - nearly everyday. Those guys are craving violence, but they’re not dumb enough to explicitly call for it, so they have figured out how to call for it in other ways.

Trump himself may not be, because you have to be evolved enough to even have an ideology, but Trump is certainly in cahoots with and is doing the bidding of many fascists. This is a fact.

@Inliytened1 the video I just posted directly addresses your position and reveals the absurdity. Your argument is identical to Trump’s. If you find yourself agreeing with Trump, at the same time in strong disagreement with intelligent people, that’s a sign bro.

“He delighted in humiliating unprepared college students on camera - a blood sport carefully staged for viral consumption.”

This dude always articulates well. “For more than a decade, Kirk made his living by pouring fuel on America’s culture war”

No. Kirk wouldn’t have had half the fame he had if Trump never entered. Yes, Kirk was what he was, but he only reached so many people because Trump paved the way for division and split the country. Idk if you recall, but before Trump, most people in the US did not engage in politics whatsoever. Now, the most common thing ever at holiday family get togethers is political tension and arguments. Countless families torn apart. Family members disowned. Decades-old friendships ruined. All this is a completely new phenomenon brought about by Trump. Trump created entirely new attention markets, which Kirk rose to fame through. So it’s totally reasonable and fair to consider the killer never would have even heard Kirk’s name had Trump not carved out these divisions. If Trump didn’t win in 2016, you and I probably would never have heard the name “Charlie Kirk”.

How much does the leader of our country making explicit calls for violence contribute to our current political landscape? You realize we’re so divided because of Trump, right? If literally anyone else would have won, Kirk would likely still be alive. Trump split us like nothing else. If you can imagine a world without Trump, that’s a world where the vast majority of people think politics is so boring, they don’t even bother with it, and it never turned into entertainment. In that world, there is no Destiny, no David Pakman, Kyle K. They’d have like 75k subs on Youtube. But keep thinking the opposite of Biden is/was best. THAT’s actually why we’re fucked.

It’s only been 8 months. They’re laying the foundation. Also, Trump is selling Trump 2028 merch on his merch site. Also, he’s building a ballroom in the White House. He’s going to make a push to stay in if he can make it happen. They’re working on it now. You’ll see.

I mean, we have to be able to speak freely about what we see. If god snapped his fingers and the entire left vanished from existence, the world the right would build for you would be a living hell where they force you to adopt Christianity. LGBTQ would be banished/killed. Vaccines would disappear, disease would skyrocket. Porn and many other things would be banned. Your children would be made to pray to their god, and falsehood would prevail like you could not believe. This is just the tip of the iceberg. People who can see it would be foolish to not speak out about it. If they instead put their heads in the sand and keep their mouths shut, they will facilitate the ushering in of that hellscape. Some feel a sense of duty to prevent hell on earth.

@Inliytened1 The mistake is taking the actions of a single radicalized person and saying “that’s the left”. When in reality, more than 99% of the left would not engage in political violence. Just like the majority of the right wouldn’t. There’s a very small number of people who would actually choose to engage in political violence - but that number just skyrocketed. Nearly all prominent leaders and influencers on the side you’re arguing is less toxic has collectively said the entire left is the enemy, and they vowed to go to war with and put an end to their enemy, all because of one radicalized person. THAT skyrocketed the number of people now ready to engage in political violence by orders of magnitude higher than the killing itself. The propaganda won’t tell you that, so you have to see it for yourself. Also, Trump ushered in political violence. He’s the only politician to ever say something like “maybe the 2nd amendment people need to take care of Hillary” or “punch him in the face, I’ll get you out of jail”, or “i wish someone would take out the fake news media”, and dozens of other mentions of violence. He says shit like this and the crowd goes fucking wild. They love it. No other politician has ever said things like this to their base. And the people thought it a good idea to make this guy leader. Kirk would likely still be alive if the people were not so stupid to vote for such a despicable character.

He’s operating on bias and vibes. You won’t be able to change his mind on this with facts, logic, and reason. Willful ignorance has already taken hold on this topic.

@Inliytened1 I noticed you usually see clearly until there's a massive, successful propaganda effort. You fell for the 2024 election propaganda and now you're falling for this propaganda that the left is the primary driver of division and hatred. You actually thought Biden caused inflation and high grocery prices. You thought that because there was mass propaganda and a huge movement of people saying it. The same thing is happening to you now with the Charlie Kirk situation.

Yeah, that was really my point but I figured that was harder for him to see.

All the violence up to this point is just a light primer for what's to come. The chickens are coming home to roost. I remember in 2016 telling my Trump-voting friend that you can't put a guy like Trump in that position - a guy telling his rally crowd to punch his political opponents in the face and to not worry because he'll bail them out of jail. I told my friend little kids would see that on TV and you can't have this sort of thing. He couldn't see the point. I wonder if he gets it now.

I fell into that trap several times. I'd make it like 1 month and then go out drinking and tell myself "I've got this problem handled so it's fine to have a smoke." I do think it's possible to get there, because I could smoke today and not continue to smoke tomorrow but that's only because I truly don't want to smoke. It's a motherfucker to beat, really.

Good commentary: "Everyone that disagrees with us deserves the violence that we are pretending to condemn and abhor". - The collective right