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Catchall for interesting stuff related to typology. Share your type, your thoughts about it or other types, and any interesting typology stuff from any system. I'm INTJ. Saw this today and found it interesting: The thing to ponder is gather vs organize. What is that?

100%. I adapt to everyone like that in everyday life. But if I'm going out with the intention to connect with people, I'm looking for specific types, unconsciously looking for compatibility or seeing who I can pry open. This width vs depth idea seems to be one of the main things I've always unconsciously filtered for when I was seeking connection.

This is a really good distinction that I ran into in my 20s when I was going out by myself and meeting people. I never had a name for it but I could always intuit who was open to depth and who wasn't. I was always trying to get people to go deep. Not necessarily through long, deep conversation, but just relating in general, if that makes sense. Like, a simple sentence could convey depth, and how the person responds to it lets you know if they like it. When meeting new people, I like a mix of shallow surface stuff with hints of depth mixed in. Surface -> surface -> depth reveal -> back to surface -> surface -> surface -> back to the depths, but a little bit deeper -> repeat until I have them in my depths. That seemed to be the unconscious aim. If I couldn't do that with someone, I tended to look for others who I could do it with. It never occurred to me to adapt my conversation style for the shallow because that just wasn't authentic to me.

These were blue-collar guys driving diesels. They probably know more about gas prices than we do. They were told prices were going to come down when Trump got in, and then the prices went up. They are blaming Trump. I personally know people who had Hillary Clinton toilet paper and Trump coffee table coasters who, in the past year, have denounced Trump. And many of their social group has as well. These people complain about Trump TODAY when it's time to fill up the tank. I have two on-the-ground, in MAGA country, real-world instances I've witnessed personally, and I don't even get out that much around the people. If I'm just running into like this, it means the sentiment is common, and growing. The heart of MAGA is dying. And it's because of Epstein, Trump making billions since he's got in, and him posting that picture of him as Jesus. Now, these people are acting like they don't even care about politics anymore. And of course they don't, they never did. They were swept up in culture war shit and now they're ready to move on, and I don't think they're ever going to really trust Trump again.

But hell yeah, I'd be into an actual witch. It would be fun at first. Then it would turn cringe as I'm sitting there with her and she starts doing a spell. lol

If a million people make 100 prophecies, some will come true, just like a broken clock is right twice a day. Of course reality is magical. But that doesn't mean just anything goes. For me, the "magic" doesn't exist in the physical domain because I've yet to observe it and haven't seen any strong evidence that supports that. I have however witnessed magic in my own consciousness and I believe reality is consciousness. And if that's the case, it makes sense that magic would be possible in physical reality. But I've never seen it, and I've seen a lot. Just because the foundation for something exists doesn't mean anything and everything that could be built upon that foundation should be seen as plausible. Show me a witch effecting the elements and I'll change my tune real quick. Hell, this morning I experienced a bit of magic. I just popped AO open and for some reason, a business project I worked on previously popped into my mind and within the same second, the business owner sent me a text message. That's some magical shit. But I can't find any connection to physical reality, just my own mind.

What do transitions between stages actually look like? We talk about the stages constantly here but almost never about the transitions. So I'm curious about people's actual experience. Not the theory, the lived version. Pick whichever transition you consider your most significant and describe it. If you've got more than one, pick the biggest. I've put some questions under each one to give it some shape, but answer however you want. I'll share mine below. Red to Blue If you had a phase of impulsiveness, defiance, or chaos and then took on structure, faith, discipline, or a code: what was it? What was life like before, and what made the structure appealing? Was there a person or institution involved? How long did it take to feel settled? Blue to Orange For those who grew up inside religion, tradition, strict family rules, or a tight community and left it, or moved toward ambition, achievement, and self-direction. What were you like as a kid inside it, the one who fit or the one who asked questions? Did your siblings, raised in the same house, go the same way, or are some still in? Was there a trigger, or did it erode? How long did it take? What can you do now that you couldn't then? Orange to Green For those who were driven, career-focused, competitive, and then shifted toward relationships, feeling, community, or social concern. What did the Orange period feel like from inside, and what stopped working? Was there an event, a burnout, a relationship, a book, a retreat, or did it just fade? Did people around you go through the same shift at the same time? What did you gain, and what did you give up? Green to Yellow For those who feel they've made this one. What did Green feel like from inside while you were in it, and what was the first crack? Was there a moment, or was it gradual? What can you do now that you couldn't do at Green, concretely? How would someone else be able to tell the difference from the outside? And how do you experience "seeing all the stages" now: is it something you do, or something you're aware of doing? Anything else If your biggest shift doesn't fit these, describe it anyway. And if you feel like you've never really shifted, that you've been more or less the same person with the same outlook since you were young, I'd like to hear that too. A few things I'm especially interested in across all of these: how long transitions take, what triggers them, whether other people in your life moved at the same time, and what specifically you could do afterward that you couldn't before. Are you able to see clear transitions in your own history, and if so, what did it look like?

Yeah, it's pretty shitty. Something about it made me stick with it though. Recently finished S1.

I live around these people and I don't think they're going to be so easily swept up into the culture war shit this go round. I think most of them just aren't going to vote anymore, and I don't see them supporting Trump like before. The dominoes have already started falling. Too many previous Trump-apologists/Trump-condoning fence-sitters (who actually comprise a lot of MAGA), are voicing their negative opinions, and that has a massive effect. It's no longer just liberals who are yelling "Trump is a piece of shit." If you were MAGA and if 30% of your in-group started shitting on Trump, that's going to have a massive impact on you. Dominoes!

If you need a reference, the show The Originals has a lot of hot, modern witches. I imagine they exist in real life but it's probably cringe because obviously, their magic doesn't work and you're just sitting there like "Good job babe. I acknowledge the power and validity of your idiocy"

Didn't know where else to post this, but found it interesting. I was in the gas station earlier (rural bible-belt/redneck country) and these rednecks were talking about how the gas prices are going up next week due to some busted pipeline and they started shitting on Trump HEAVY. This one redneck was like "I didn't vote, but if I did, I would have voted for Trump, and I would have been a damn fool for it". 😂 They started talking about how Trump is the cause of all the prices skyrocketing and I butted in with "Well, the president isn't really responsible for all the price increases", and these mother fuckers laid into me boy, lol. Here I am, an avid anti-Trump person getting attacked for seeming like I'm defending Trump to a bunch of rednecks. Fucking hilarious. It really just goes to show MAGA is basically fucking done. When you walk into a gas station round these parts and hear the common folk shitting on Trump, it's over.

Jack Sparrow in the hizzy!

Care to make a prediction? I'm predicting 65% INTP.

End Game is badass dude. You definitely have to watch all the movies leading up to it. I don't approach these things with analysis, and I just go by what draws me in, so I can't intelligently articulate much off the cuff. I never found Spiderman appealing. He's one of my least fav characters. I love Tony Stark though because he's funny af and represents mastery of the physical domain, and maximizing intelligent solutions that serve a greater cause. Since I was young, I was always drawn to manipulating the physical domain in creative ways to solve important problems. Stark represents that for me. But to be honest, I have a hard time choosing him over Doctor Strange. Have you seen the first Doctor Strange? Amazing. If you haven't seen it, you're in for a treat: Something about Captain America I don't like too much. I like the Black Panther and that whole world, aside from the "purple" elements, lol. Who is your fav so far?

Lay it down

@Natasha Tori Maru Did that work? Never done it before.

I fucking love The Avengers franchise. Guardians of the Galaxy as well.

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This is funny. I recall my first memory of doing this. I would imagine my kindergarten teacher hanging from a ledge and I pull her up, then she hugs me and lets me play with her tits. I'd even act it out as if my bed was the rooftop lol. Must have been 4 or 5. I contribute the early sex drive to watching late night HBO and Cinemax.

The trick is to learn to solve problems compatible with your specific cognition. "know thyself" "What types of problems do I like to solve?" Then look for opportunity with the same shape.

And in memory of @UnbornTao

It was just ChatGPT. If you want the text: "Suppose a man is already comfortable with himself, can tolerate rejection, expresses attraction without shame, reads women reasonably well, and naturally knows how to tease/flirt/play. What remaining problem is sufficiently important that he'd want to turn interaction with women into an optimization project? For most men, probably none. He'd just go interact with women. The people most likely to continue studying pickup after reaching basic competence would disproportionately be people who enjoy optimization for its own sake: highly competitive people, perfectionists, systematizers, status-driven people, people who want unusually high sexual volume, or people who experience uncertainty as something that needs to be controlled. That's somewhat broader than “high-strung Type A,” because a relaxed but highly analytical systematizer could also become fascinated by it. And I think there's a deeper distinction worth making: Learning flirting is ordinary social development. Turning flirting into an explicit system for maximizing outcomes is a particular psychological response to the problem. Consider other social domains. Most people want friends, but they don't develop friend acquisition systems. They want people to like them, but they don't spend years studying likability optimization. They want enjoyable conversations, but don't maintain spreadsheets of conversational openers. If somebody did those things obsessively, we'd immediately start wondering what psychological need was driving all that machinery. Pickup gets somewhat of a pass because heterosexual male dating presents a genuine asymmetry: men are still more often expected to initiate, rejection is common, and romantic/sexual success can be highly motivating. So some explicit learning makes perfect sense. But once you remove the underlying inhibition and incompetence, continued intensive optimization starts telling you less about what dating objectively requires and more about what the practitioner psychologically requires from dating. That's actually a sharper version of your original claim: And the remaining hardcore practitioners would likely be a psychologically selected population—men unusually interested in mastery, optimization, control, competition, validation, sexual variety, or some combination thereof."

Chorus is the banger

Ok, so where do you want to take it?