Giulio Bevilacqua

Question: A well-known author has written a great deal about the use of certain drugs which enable man to arrive at some visionary experience of union with the divine ground. Are those experiences helpful in finding that state of which you speak? Jiddu Krishnamurti: You can learn tricks, or take drugs, or get drunk, and you will have intense experiences of one kind or another, depressing or exciting. Obviously the physiological condition does affect the psychological state of the mind; but drugs and practices of various kinds do not in any way bring about that state of which we are talking. All such things lead only to a variety, intensity and diversity of experience – which we all want and hunger after, because we are fed up with this world. We have had two world wars, with appalling misery and everlasting strife on every side; and our own minds are so petty, personal, limited. We want to escape from all this, either through psychology, philosophy, so-called religion, or through some exercise or drug – they are all on the same level. The mind is seeking a sensation; you want to experience what you call reality, or God, something immense, great, vital. You want to have visions; and if you take some kind of drug, or are sufficiently conditioned in a certain religion, you will have visions. The man who is everlastingly thinking about Christ, or Buddha, or what not, will sooner or later have experiences, visions; but that is not truth, it has nothing whatever to do with reality. Those are all self-projections; they are the result of your demand for experience. Your own conditioning is projecting what you want to see. To find out what is real, the mind must cease to demand any experience. So long as you are craving experience, you will have it, but it will not be real – real in the sense of the timeless, the immeasurable; it will not have the perfume of reality. It will all be an illusion, the product of a mind that is frustrated, that is seeking a thrill, an emotion, a feeling of vitality. That is why you follow leaders. They are always promising something new, a Utopia, always sacrificing the present for the future; and you foolishly follow them, because it is exciting. You have had that experience in this country, and you ought to know better than anyone else the miseries, the brutality of it all. Most of us demand the same kind of experience, the same kind of sensation, only at another level. That is why we take various drugs, or perform ceremonies, or practise some exercise that acts as a stimulant. These things all have significance in the sense that their use indicates that one is still craving experience; therefore the mind is everlastingly agitated. And the mind that is agitated, that is craving experience, can never find out what is true. Truth is always new, totally unknown and unknowable. The mind must come to it without any demand, without any knowledge, without any wish; it must be empty, completely naked. Then only truth may happen. But you cannot invite it.

That is helpful. Thank you very much ?@sir_kulki

Hi. Would like to know what are your experiences with daily work/job and taking 5meo dmt. Do you take some days off from work before/after taking 5meo? And most important. Are you still able to perform your work with others and handle daily situations? As it is a very powerful substance I guess it will shatter many things like family, work... reality and so on. So maybe before interacting with daily duties is it important to take some free time ? Thank you.

It's said that the right way to chant is not OM but A-U-M. In my view you do not renounce life by just chanting a mantra. Chanting is still another attempt to fix life or change it into a more pleasurable state. Otherwise why would you do it ? When every method or attempt to reach a better place is abandoned that's renunciation of ego.

Some questions about the process through vaping with oil pipe and measurements. How long should the lighter be under the oil pipe till I can finally inhale the substance? About buying a milligram scale. Is one that costs around 20 euros good to measure 5mg of 5dmt ? I have also seen this mini spoons that can measure till 6 mg to 10 mg. But that's very risky as you can easily overdose ?

I Made a post about this topic. I already received some good suggestions by two moderators But I think writing in this thread would be better and more appropriate. Hi everyone. I am on the Kundalini process since 1 and half year and struggling mainly on the fear aspect of letting go the control of the body. Most of all is fear of death I think. I am still experiencing some physical knots in some parts of the body, related to stuck/unprocessed emotions of the past. The idea of taking 5meo became more interesting as I read a post of a guy talking about the healing properties of 5meo after having tried many healing techniques that did not work at all. My situation is quite the same. I did many things but everything failed at the end. I really feel I need something more powerful like a clear sharp cut. So coming to the point... I just have some worries not for the substance itlsef and the effects, but mostly using it during the energetic process of the Kundalini. I just have this thoughts and believes that it could be a too big explosion of everything and causing some damage to the body. But as I said this are only thoughts that are blocking me for the experience. I know that I just need to try it to see it my self and nobody can really tell me what is best or what will happen My idea was to try very gentle doses like 5mg through smoking and see what happens and than increasing very little by little. Any suggestions and exoerience sharing would be super helpful Peace to everyone

@acidgoofy @OBEler Thanks guys. Appreciated. I'll experiment that way

Hi everyone. I am on the Kundalini process since 1 and half year and struggling mainly on the fear aspect of letting go the control of the body. Most of all is fear of death I think. I am still experiencing some physical knots in some parts of the body, related to stuck/unprocessed emotions of the past. The idea of taking 5meo became more interesting as I read a post of a guy talking about the healing properties of 5meo after having tried many healing techniques that did not work at all. My situation is quite the same. I did many things but everything failed at the end. I really feel I need something more powerful like a clear sharp cut. So coming to the point... I just have some worries not for the substance itlsef and the effects, but mostly using it during the energetic process of the Kundalini. I just have this thoughts and believes that it could be a too big explosion of everything and causing some damage to the body. But as I said this are only thoughts that are blocking me for the experience. I know that I just need to try it to see it my self and nobody can really tell me what is best or what will happen My idea was to try very gentle doses like 5mg through smoking and see what happens and than increasing very little by little. Any suggestions and exoerience sharing would be super helpful Peace to everyone

You could give a try to shambhavi mahamudra Kriya from sadhguru. It slowly pushes up your energies so that compulsions become weaker and less addictive

Give a try with shambhavi mahamudra Kriya from sadhguru

Get enough physical work

Become spontaneous. That's meditation.

I am afraid and really terrified. It takes a lot of loving trust and surrender to life's intelligence. I did other posts about my kundalini situation. As the energy awakes within your system the body starts performing spontaneous body movements that are designed for clearing your energy system from accumulated imprints. In my case the body starts whirling and spinning like a dervish very fast. I have come close where the speed would take over completely over the body but shortly I stopped willingly because it scared the hell out of me. I feel very good after but still not able to let go completely. I feel it would be the end. I am afraid of the void I am scared like a child that has lost his mother in the woods. It's a turning point where one can't go back. It's just about trust and trust. But damn god it's brutally challenging. Facing the fear of one's death and dissolution .... I am afraid

It is more powerful and intelligent than your attempt to concentrate. See if you stop concentrate and focus you have to start again and the effects vanishes .

Thanks Brother. Yes its llike taking a jump into a black hole. Now swaying between resistance and surrender

You can not control Kundalini. Kundalini controls you. Kundalini is the end of all control and effort. It's the ultimate path of surrender to God's will.

That is totally wrong. Kundalini is divine intelligence and can't go back by any forceful attempt or method. It can become more dangerous if you are not willing to surrender to her or trying to fix her.

Yes I agree. Beautiful

It is said that before entering the sea a river trembles with fear. She looks back at the path she has traveled, from the peaks of the mountains, the long winding road crossing forests and villages. And in front of her, she sees an ocean so vast, that to enter there seems nothing more than to disappear forever. But there is no other way. The river can not go back. Nobody can go back. To go back is impossible in existence. The river needs to take the risk of entering the ocean because only then will fear disappear, because that’s where the river will know it’s not about disappearing into the ocean, but of becoming the ocean. Khalil gibran

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Thanks brother. Could you tell me something more about it

Definitely terrifying. It's the end. Finito

Definitely terrifying

Are you doing any spiritual/energetic practices? Head pressures could sometimes be some Kundalini arousal symptoms

Thank you. This stuff is so fascinating to read