EternalForest

@Leo Gura I can acknowledge that his mental health is declining and he is hurting others with his words, but none of that takes away what his music did for me for my entire life. I know Kanye West means nothing to you but he means a lot to a lot of your fans. I know that all you know him for is the recent comments, but he's been changing lives for decades with his art.

@AtheisticNonduality I mean the The College Dropout, Late Registration, and Graduation are his three classic albums from the 2000s. Any one of them is a great pick. All critically acclaimed, massively influential, and they proved that a rapper could get big without having to be a gangster.

@Leo Gura You literally said that you wouldn't even be talking about him if it wasn't for this latest controversy. What does that say? Kanye is one of my favorite artists and his music has done more for me than I can possibly explain, so no, I'm not going to turn on him just because he is declining as a person. That doesn't make me a bad person, and it doesn't mean I have to defend his anti-semitic comments. Have some nuance, and above all, have some compassion.

Although his second album, Late Registration (2005) is my personal favorite.

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (2010)

@Thought Art So you're just going to judge his entire career by his latest, worst news bulb instead of the decades upon decades of brilliant works he's created??

If you made some of the greatest albums of all time (not just his words, but millions of fans and critics'), then you'd have an ego too.

Something tells me you've never listened to any of his albums

Yes, I think his music will still resonate. Hip hop will make its place in history, and when bringing up hip hop, you have to bring up Kanye West.

@Topspin715 We have a modern day Beethoven level musical genius among us and just because he's mentally unstable at the moment everyone wants to make him out to be a monster. There's nothing you can do to destroy his legacy. But the media will try their best.

@Leo Gura You know nothing about Kanye

@AtheisticNonduality Well all that is very true about Kanye atm, you're right on that

@AtheisticNonduality ???

You can't "manage" him. He is a maverick who is going to do what he wants to do no matter what anyone else says. I think one comment I saw put it well. He's achieved success in everything he's attempted except politics. So he's doing anything and everything to be successful in it.

Ask critics, the thousands of artists who were inspired by him, how he changed the sound of music over the 21st century, created new subgenres, etc. etc.

@AtheisticNonduality What does any of that have to do with his musical genius

@Leo Gura Kanye is a musical genius and none of your LOLs can take that away from him. The way you talk about this man truly pisses me off. I respect you a lot, and I respect Kanye a lot, so it hurts me to see you disrespect him like this time and time again.

@Danioover9000 Thanks for sharing all of this, I'll be studying these, and also checking out a few videos on the people who do believe he did it, just to get both sides. I've never seriously looked into the details of Neverland, yet.

@Thought Art Clickbait might have been exaggerating. But I just don't like Leo's angle here. Who's making a post when Kanye makes a musical innovation? Or when he donates to charity? No, it always has to be when he's at his lowest point... This post takes nothing away from his decades of greatness.

@Leo Gura We both agree that Kanye's going down the wrong path, the difference is that you're using him for clickbait and I'm actually a real fan waiting for his comeback and full recovery. You speak about him like you know him, but you don't. There is so much beauty and genius in that mind of his, you just can't see it right now. Go listen to The College Dropout, Late Registration and Graduation tonight and it'll teach you more about who Kanye really is than some new anchor or article ever could. Really listen to what he's saying. He was a great man.

@Leo Gura You just don't know the real Kanye. If you did, you wouldn't have this attitude you do. And me not having empathy for the Jews?? I just said the shit about Jews was wrong earlier, did you not read it?

Have some empathy Leo, he is not well.

@Leo Gura Please watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRpRYARIXIg

@Cat_eyes The thing with his Mom really hit him for sure (that's why he made 808s and Heartbreak), but I don't think he lost it after that. MBDTF was a masterpiece, Yeezus was wildly inventive, etc. If you look at interviews with him from the early 2010s, he's very loud but also very sharp. These days, he's the complete opposite, quiet and dull. The turn really happened around 2018. The Ye album was still great, but something was off. Jesus is King proved it. He was becoming "spiritual", but at the same time, losing focus. Latching onto any belief system to make himself happy. The quality of his mental state, music and everything else has been dropping ever since. Kim left him because he wasn't the same Kanye anymore. Fans can feel it too.

@Cat_eyes I haven't watched it cause it seems to make his "spiritual awakening" the glorious final arc of his life when I see it as the start of his downfall.