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That would favor Bernie more than the other debates due to less communist smears and more talking Could be, but it won't persuade voters who want a centrist or believe Bernie would lose to trump

I asked you if me questioning a method (going vegan) means I am not open to expanding and being more open, then you say to this that this means I'm not

If you're saying eating meat is bad, but just want to accept it, his slavery analogy is not false because the same argument could be said about slavery.

By going vegan, even if I am not given evidence that one person going vegan prevents cruelty, that would be expanding and being more open? I am just asking you questions and pointed out that your analogies are biased You can expand your empathy, but if you aren't finding evidence a method is effective then question it

A store chooses how much to order, and you buying will not change that.

No because I do realize if lots of people went vegan then it would make a difference, but you didn't prove how one person not going vegan is cruel

The """carnists""" (that's not an ideology, you're the one going out of your way to be vegan) are buying a finished product, like I said, you going vegan isn't impacting a store's supply Lab meat, better capitalism etc. would be better ways to stop the "evil" so you're not just trying to create a culture that is concerned with more suffering, you're also posting stupid memes to portray those who aren't going vegan (the method you are suggesting) as being inconsistent or immoral which isn't true Slavery is a slave mastery directly engaging in cruelty, they weren't having discussions, and since eating meat won't be abolished like slavery was isn't looking at the other side's perspective better?

No, that just means he believes he's meeting you at your level while also pointing out to you that your memes aren't going to persuade anyone and were made by vegans who don't want to look at the other side's perspective

@Serotoninluv Being vegan on an individual level while acknowledging you aren't changing supply and demand (like I've said) doesn't pass as logic, so comparing it to joining them is a bad analogy I just don't believe people are taking part in the bad aspects of the meat industry by buying the finished product, it isn't saying that you agree with everything the meat industry is doing And I agree, if everyone went vegan then it would be a good solution, but the argument vegans are proposing is that you as an individual should go vegan or else you're immoral or inconsistent, which I don't agree with

There are people who have been vegan for many years and convinced others to go vegan, but the "evil" hasn't been eliminated, meaning you're going vegan but not achieving the goal, if a big collective were to go vegan then yes but the vegan argument is that you should go vegan. More efficient capitalism and lab meat would be better solutions. That isn't propaganda, vegans admit that if you go vegan you'll have to take supplements. (but you probably don't if you're going vegetarian) Buying a finished product isn't telling the meat industry that they're doing a good job, nor directly funding them AKA not participating in the torture, it's different from donating to people who torture others. So it's not inconsistent to be against some of the practices of the meat industry and still buy meat.

I'll just let your group go vegan and I won't because you didn't prove one person makes a difference by going vegan, which is what vegans are arguing for

Just a deflection instead of proving that not buying a product is the way to stop/change the meat industry. A store will still order the product even if you're not buying.

You said you were gonna start time angel, what is that? Graphics have gotten worse too, and companies are virtue signalling with "diverse" characters, pandering to china, and forgoing playing their own games and making them better

Just a nonsense demonization. You believe buying a finished product is the same as doing the process behind meat production, that torture is involved, that you can go vegan without unnatural supplements etc. because that's what youtube vegans have told you... look into supply and demand more, and you'll see your statement is not true, buying meat from a store doesn't mean you're supporting the industry because the store would have the meat anyway. You didn't stop the evil by becoming vegan.

It could, by exposing the limits of stage orange to people

A book?

@Hansu Would you be defending this if they were torturing and eating humans instead? And it's not just the poor chinese people forced to do this that do it, it's also ones who have more that choose to do it, a chinese person feeling entitled to imposing gruesome pain on a dog then eating it is at fault

It's going to come down to biden vs trump, and biden isn't too likely to win that, people just see bernie as the socialist candidate and because they disagree with communism and haven't really looked into it so they end up voting for someone else

I'd say no because of the nose and acne, otherwise it's fine

Female privilege is bigger than male privilege, this is obvious so ofc the video will get hate.

By that logic a TV can't function because it's made out of consciousness, but it can.

Well it's already obvious that women want looks, but that could serve as a good example, especially if you act like you have worse social skills on the dating site yet are perceived better due to looks

I'm not watching much of it at all, I watch the most obnoxious stuff out of interest and to debunk it.

The comment section is also stage blue, strawmaning, nonsense, hate etc. will make both sides more aggressive and could lead to a big backlash if Trump wins in 2020