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And have you tried body exit techniques at this point? Sorry I don't 100% remember if you've answered that before. Robert Bruce in Astral dynamics teaches tactile visualisation which is then used for body exits, like rope pulling, etc.

@abrakamowse spooky action ??

I can't say yes or no, but I often experience something the following day which is a very blatant reference to something in last night's dream. When a dream memory is triggered, it's because something (in conversation with someone or an experience) directly relates to the dream. I'd say this is too common of a phenomenon to simply say it's coincidence. But I wonder if "random brain farts" = coincidence? Also that was a really cool dream!

@abrakamowse no, but I bet it's really good! As long as you can take all theory with a grain of salt and just extract the nuggets... But I suppose thats for anything you read...

@electroBeam please read this about image streaming before you make a decision. I didn't mean it is only useful for remote viewing, you could also say it's a way of astral projecting without a body exit.. http://www.winwenger.com/realms.htm

@Nahm thank you for your kind and generous donation! Call again! @abrakamowse it really is! And it doesn't take much work to get going. It's what I consider a whole other pillar of dreaming that hardly anyone has ever heard of.

Yeah when I was reading your post it reminded me exactly of guided breathing videos you can find on YouTube. Really cool experience!

@electroBeam ah OK, well then AP away! Whatever you're drawn to. Once you are in a good trance, do you get to the point where your whole body is buzzing wildly? You'll need to stay very still.

@Member wow that's actually very interesting... I wonder why you were so afraid of being a geometrical form... Would you still be scared?

@electroBeam haha well if you visit me at night, make sure you knock and don't be a creepo ??? jk jk I would totally spy on people Nothing wrong with that... Image streaming is more like remote viewing than astral projection, but you can also talk to different parts of your mind with it by asking questions or 'sending it' images of your own and seeing what any responses are. Any dream related work is a worthy goal. Astral projection relies more heavily on the trance state, are you good at trance?

@electroBeam nooo dream memory is not related to iq, BUT the image streaming will not only raise IQ (supposedly) but will strengthen dream memory. Win win. Win Wen(ger) http://www.winwenger.com/imagestr.htm

@electroBeam well the common answer is that you simply don't remember any. Some nights I still wake up and try to search memory - - "did I dream? Nope? Oh well" - - - and even though I go along with the thought that I didn't dream, I also know that I did dream and just don't remember. Sometimes I'll be at work and something will trigger a dream memory and suddenly - - "oh yeah, I DID dream last night!" But of course your thing could be unrelated. I think you might be interested in image streaming, which is accessing the dream state while still also completely awake in this plane. It's like observing hypnagogia but to the point you can learn to close your eyes and project yourself into any dream without ever falling asleep. It's also said to raise IQ? Anyway, when you do this, you may realise that there is a dream going on constantly, non stop, never ending, in the background of this dream in 'this plane.' All you have to do is tap into it. Look up image streaming by Win Wenger if interested.

Well then, rest ?

I have a feeling that 'tier 2' section of the forum would be quite hilarious to observe... Ok I'm in, let's do it!

@electroBeam are you saying no dreams at night? Or do you feel like you're in a deep sleep RIGHT NOW? ?

Come to think of it... I seem to be, even now, in a perpetual loop of waking up in bed, over and over and over and over. In a bed, in a body. The scenery can be very familiar or change exponentially with each awakening. It's just that this false awaking loop lasts full days and can get quite mundane or exciting. Thankfully the demons materialize in much subtler forms in 'this reality' in between resets. ?

@ivankiss wow yeah I don't blame you for being terrified! I don't have the best advice for easing this fear of the beings, it's just something that should hopefully happen naturally. Many times I have to remind myself that they can't actually hurt me. Even though the pinching does hurt, it just becomes super obnoxious and I can't wait to get away lol. Again it's actually pretty uncommon for me nowadays. Mostly it's either my husband in bed or I am waking up alone (in which my husband will be out in the living room or in his office). That shit is real confusing because this dream husband acts exactly like him, but a bit stranger. It is a strange feeling when you know you are dreaming, and that the entities are you, and they still treat you this way. ?? We can be very mean to ourselves. ? So technically this was a false awakening loop, and these are notorious for having fearful elements. Trust me that if you become lucid in a typical happy dream, or enter the dream world consciously, these archetypal demons are way way less likely to manifest. Even if they do, let them wash over you if you get that analogy. They can't hurt you. And if they pin you down to the floor, go through the floor. Lots of worlds to explore under the floor.

Hey there! Thanks for calling ? So it's funny, we've actually been discussing false awakenings, and that's exactly what you had. I actually find it kind of intriguing that you have experienced mystical states that would scare the hell out of some people, but are afraid to lucid dream. But OK, let's see what we can do here... ?(just playing) Can you recall the exact feeling you get when you realize you are dreaming and begin to panic? Pull it up real quick. What exactly are you feeling? Can you find the underlying (and most likely false) belief that is causing the panic? I wonder if 'it's not familiar' is really the best answer? If so, that's fine and you'll have to start there. But to me, when I realise I'm dreaming, it feels exactly like home. really try to see if there's something underneath 'it's not familiar'. Only a tiny tiny bit when it's like I can't wake up. But that's rare, and nowadays I don't want to wake up because there's so much to do. Ok here's a weird one. I wonder if you met 'a demon' when you were a child, forgot about it, and the only memory left of it is the extreme fear-- and then that's only remembered when you get lucid. Your fear of the 'dream demon' is immense, but your adult self really doesn't even know what's causing it. You mistake it for the fear of lucid dreaming, and put yourself in an unwanted feedback loop, which ironically works against your goal of dream awareness. Which is a shame since if you could remember what you are truly afraid of, you might also remember that you can turn any demon into butterflies. Nah, probably not but that would make a cool movie... Religious minded people think of them as demons. Personally I think they are very archetypal in nature, manifesting as whatever evil shit you can consciously or unconsciously think of. I don't know why they appear in sleep paralysis. They don't always, but very very often. It's possible this happens because that's what we've been told in succession since the very first occurrence, and so the hive believes that demons come out at sleep paralysis. Regardless, they do, so we've got to do something about it. There's some options. Ignoring them can sometimes make them go away. Luckily I don't get the ominous creepy ass demons standing in the corner watching me. I may have a few times but thankfully none anytime lately. I get mischievous imp like demons that sit on me and pinch and taunt me. One time one was pinching my nipple and wouldn't go away and I got so annoyed, I finally screamed out "in Jesus's name!" or something like that. It disappeared and I was able to get up and go explore. One time it was a whole parade of people, who I understood to be guests I had invited over, something from the previous dream. I couldn't see very well or move, but they just kept coming up to the bed and bothering me and taunting me. Finally I broke free and was like "SEE YA" and flew out the nearest window, lucid. That was also a multi-reset loop false awakening like @Shinhas been experiencing, and in each reset, it was less or more people parading in to bother me. I'm not sure in which reset I broke free, but even then I reset again. Finally I was able to break free and fly over a large lake, and continued to have a lucid dream with gorgeous scenery that I still recall vividly to this day.

It doesn't affect it at all except for afterglow

Ok interesting, a reddit user swears by white strain

Any specific strain?

@Michal__ I agree with ADA and perhaps it's useful for much more than lucid dreaming ? It gave me an idea... A guided 5-10 minute 'check in', which can be played and practiced at any point of the day.

I really like those distinctions too. I think I grasp what you're pointing at, at least in essence. ?

Hmm.. That's interesting, pretty much how blind people dream... And this is every time? I'm not sure if I can help, but the first place to start would be to work on your visualisation skills. As far as reality check goes, hold your nose and keep your mouth closed and see if you can still breathe. If so, you're dreaming. I'd be so curious if you would start seeing when you get lucid. At first I was blind, but now I see...

Love ?