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I agree with you, except what is actual vision compared to what you see in a dream?

@martins name have you ever observed hypnagogia before falling asleep or when waking up? It can get crystal clear. Recall what you did two minutes ago. See yourself doing it. Visual memory and visualisation is the same thing in my opinion. There's a reason people have a hard time visualising something they've never seen. Even when you think you are visualising something new, it's typically just lots of visual memory stitched together to give the illusion of something new. But the phosphenes are like an inner light. Or at least they are the crystals that fractate the inner light into pictures. Or at least that's the physical explanation if you want to live in that world. If you leave the physical world then visualisation is just what is arising, as it arises,if anything is arising at all, which really is isn't. ?

@Aturban I did... Very interesting idea to take Alan Watts and instead of putting his voice against nature scenes of mountains and streams, the scenes are visually interesting and seductive, and always at least loosely related to what's being said. And like I'm so gay I don't even know what other kinds of effects it has on the straight or lesbian minds ? definitely a+ for creativity. Is this your channel?

@Aturban hehe yeah

There, now I am. ?

@Aturban maybe 'implies' is the dream, and the rest are breathed into life around that.

Yeah, for example I could lay down and go visit my mind palace, the giant tree loft. But for me, the visuals aren't as strong, and I don't feel grounded in it at all. And it doesn't take life for me like it did with you (I'm really impressed!). I'd get bored easy and want to get up and do something else. You said it took like 30 minutes to feel grounded in the lucid daydream - - with the open eye writing bilocation it takes me like 3-5 minutes. This is important as well. You are a natural at the lucid daydreaming it seems, so you don't technically need to change your method. But always keep a notebook nearby, especially if you want to do this for inner guidance, you could come back in a year or two and be blown away by the insights you recorded, which may not seem that important at the time. I think you should invent a mind palace. Would be fun to read about. Yeah, it is. I've been writing fiction since middle school, although I've never finished anything, it's always been about the mind adventures, first and foremost. I remember when I first started this, I was doing it exactly how you did. Everything just came so fast I did have to let it play out and then stop and write it down before I forgot, and then return. (this is exactly what happened when I first started meeting with Blue/Sam, then eventually I could be with him while simultaneously writing it down, and he would make comments and interject, he still does?) Again, I don't think you need to change a thing unless you want to, I'd still love to hear your adventures however you record them. But if you want to try it my way, it's like turning the running faucet (of imagination) until it's a steady trickle, just enough to be awake in bed and also awake in my dream at the same time. Please keep sharing!! I l love your dream reports but for some reason this is very interesting to me, but of a different flavor.

@Zigzag Idiot I wonder if feeling vs. sensing would be applicable here. @martins name it can turn into actual vision if you are relaxed enough and the phosphenes form around what you "see" in minds eye.

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@Myioko also, I have an idea. The next time you do this, when you stop to write, watch your minds eye while writing it. See if you can veer off for just a few seconds and continue the dream with eyes open, actively writing it. Just try it here and there, you don't have to commit to it for the whole session of course. Also ?... Once a few years ago I got lucid and found my higher self up in the rafters of a barn. I asked him what is my true name, and he said in a booming voice that it was "wappa pappa pow "... Which as we all know is what the fox says...

@Myioko @Myioko I'm so excited! That was perfect!! Yes, I love it! You did great You didn't do this incorrectly, per se. I do this sometimes too, or at least when I first started. Even if you never get to the point where you are writing it at the same time, your written dream definitely hit the nail on the head! But if you do get to the point where you are writing and receiving and directing the dream at the same time, it will feel more like bilocation. Either way, it seems you were successful. (I should clarify : the receiving and directing of the dream is very give and take. Sometimes I want to steer things a certain direction, and sometimes I let the dream unfold without input. I'm constantly cycling through this while the dream is written. ) You said you used to do this when bored...I'm curious, was this like that or did it seem different? Also, do you think the visualization would have been as strong without the intention of writing it down? Maybe, also, try it during WBTB!! I'll have to try it then as well, it could definitely work as dream incubation.

@Muhammad Jawad love ya! hello from your imaginary friend, @seeking_brilliance if I seem real its because you're better at visualization than you may know

@Myioko @abrakamowse These two excerpts are examples of how to use this method for channeling. Remember it’s an equal process of directing the story from home station (your body in bed) and simultaneously being in the story/dream wherever you send yourself.. The excerpts were written a day apart and I am sending myself to the 90 acre hiking park across the street from my house. I am going to meet Sam, my astral guide/companion/tulpa. As usual the following excerpts are lightly edited to improve reading. When you are doing this it will be much sloppier. I chose to write these in more of a novel narrative style, which lends well to conversations with dream characters, whereas my grounding exercise was written more like a guided visualization. Its not important how you write these out, as long as you provide yourself with enough details to simultaneously inject yourself into the narrative dream. (I'm typically seeing a lot more than what gets written down. But when creating the narrative just throw some things in for reference points.) ********************************************************* Literature narrative style : … again he hops up on the fence, and howls like a wolf to the more open ravine. It echoes from the trees not very far way on the other side. Sam smiles and asks for a riddle. "I don't know any good ones", I say, honestly. "Ok, I'll tell you one," he says, and points to the stream at the bottom of the ravine. "What takes two hours to process, but can be done instantly with love/prayer?" I look down at the stream and ponder the question… "Running", I answer, not really sure but its what came to me. "I could run around for two hours chasing a lead, or pray for an outcome." "Is that your final answer?" he asks. "uh, well…. " I look back down at the stream and try again…. "Stillness," I answer. "In two hours the thoughts may run dry, or I could just stop them with love and prayer." (this time I had let the answer arise more intuitively) "Excellent, Justin." "Sam, before I try this, what is prayer?" "Prayer is the foundation of Love. Intention. Will. Receptiveness. Pushing. All in one power. It's not really a doing, it’s a loving letting." "Ok, thank you. "I will try this now. Goodbye Sam. (I end the dream here and attempt a meditation.) ************************************************************************ As I recline in bed, I lift up and away, through the bay window to my left and onto the cul-de-sac. Again, I'm going to meet my friend Sam at the park. Down the street past neighbor's houses, I turn right on the road and am soon at the gate. Sam isn't there, but I continue into the park and down the usual paths we stroll. It's kind of strange going through the astral version of the park without Sam, he's usually here with me. We've been going to the ravine lately, so I head there. Eventually its on my left and I head down the steep path, past the first two overlooks where we've stopped and chatted before. I'm really not even looking at the scenery because I'm getting worried about where Sam is. I walk further down until there is a fork in the path at the bottom of the basin. Ahead the path leads to the bridge and there is Sam, meditating in lotus position in the center of the bridge. I go to him and shake him awake. I still don't have a solid image of Sam's form, but I noticed that when I shook him his eyes opened and he smiled. "Hey," he says. "Whatcha doing?" I ask, relieved to have found him. "Just sitting," he says and lifts his hands up parallel from his shoulders, palms up and fingers pointing away. "Thank you for coming." "What are you doing with your hands there?" "I'm channeling." "ok, channeling who?" "you, silly." ( I'm sighing in bed because, duh. (eye roll)) I look around. On one side of the bridge, the stream which carved the deep ravine now drops from moss covered boulders before leveling out into a steady creek on the other side of the bridge. I love the sound of trickling water. "Sam", I ask, thinking of something I could ask him while I have him talking (<--I was stalling here, realigning myself with the story) "Sam--do you have any tips or tricks for stillness? Yesterday you mentioned love and prayer, and that prayer is a love letting. When I ended the dream, and tried this out, you also told me that prayer is done from the heart center. (sam interjects: It's not a doing!) I suppose grounding is important to do first, since it creates a polarity down into heart center. "Yes, correct." "Yesterday when I tried it, I didn't really understand what to do with my heart, and the thoughts…. Ok wait. I think I was waiting for thoughts to "be still", but that's not exactly stillness is it? You said prayer was a loving letting. Love doesn't require thoughts to be still, does it?" "Love doesn't require anything. Stillness is when you are brave enough to step down, and shy enough to step in." "Did I get that right?" "No! I said-- stillness is the love of letters. It comes when its not expected. Like a thief in the night. It swallows you whole and spits you out into nothing. When there is nothing, there is stillness." (like I did here, you can always ask the entity if you heard them correctly. But I actually like his original statement, sounds like a fun paradox) I say-- "and I suppose a steady stream of thoughts can be nothing." "Yep." "Thank you Sam. When I was doing the book study on The book of not knowing, one exercise was to pick an object in the room and take away all labels and concepts and try to see the object for what it really is. I chose a sock on the floor. Dropping concepts, it seemed as if I really didn't know what I was looking at, or if I were looking at anything at all. Of course at that point there still seemed to be a "me" confused of its visual feed--but anyway, I don't know if I succeeded in the exercise but I see the value in it, and I said all this -- (sam: you say a lot) -- to say this: the technique could be used while sitting and observing thought with eyes closed. If I drop all concepts, maybe even thoughts would appear as nothing" "sounds like something you could try." "Ok then, I have things to do today so I'll leave you here. Bye Sam." "Bye, Justin." I fly up and off the bridge, up above the whole park and I can see my street to the northeast. I fly over the park and past the neighbor's houses to my front yard, through the bay window and stop just before the bed. I can see the body laying in bed writing this dream out. Simultaneously I am here in bed writing it. Trippy. I zoom back into the body and the visual field becomes one. (next time I attempt a side view of the body, I'll do a third eye body scan and maybe look for an aura.)

Yes, the writing is breathing life into the visualization. I'd say it's equal parts letting the dream /story flow and surprise you, (not knowing what's coming out next,) and also wilfully directing the dream with the pen. It's about respecting the two experiential locations and letting them mesh into one single experience. For me it strengthens it. If it helps, think of it like writing a short fiction, it just happens to be about yourself. What would you do, where would you go? With this technique you are artfully and wilfully creating this dream which you are simultaneously projecting into.. Perhaps I was wrong and it will take a bit of practice, but it should get to the point where this dream feels alive and can surprise you what comes next, or what a character says to you, etc. When I meet a dream character in this way- - - for example my tulpa guide Sam-- I do not feel like I'm puppeting Sam. You'll get good at letting go and 'hearing' what string of words comes next. And of course don't start out with anything too complex. Try going to your own grounding house, or maybe a special place where you can work on your drawings and channel creativity. Go to your Muse's palace, perhaps, and see if she has any kind words for you. At first, just stick to something you know visually very well, and can easily visualise and know where everything is relation to where you are. For example your bedroom. This frees up energy for creativity, instead of wasting processing power on seeing a location you aren't familiar with. That's why I made my grounding house look like a vague hobbit hole, because it seemed fitting and the image of the house kind of creates itself while writing out the dream. Yes. For me it's a symbiotic relationship with what's happening in the controlled dream. You are becoming the author of whichever dream you want to dream. How real this will feel is based on how good your visualisation skills are, and how good you get at 'listening' for the story. Don't forget visualisation is for all senses, not just sight. (my training videos only train sight) Yes absolutely, I think it will only help solidify this dream, or you can create a mind palace like my giant tree loft. (I have yet to visit this place in a sleeping dream, but technically I never tried. Next time I'm lucid I would love to try and teleport there) If you are good at taking a break from reading a book and coming directly back to it without starting the whole chapter over again, then I think you'll have no problem here.

I started meditating to isochronic theta tones back in 2012-2013 and had my first adult mystical experiences. This was the beginning of something interesting and I do have much gratitude towards brain entrainment. Here is the video that sparked the most experiences: I also have holosync but my ADD mind has not made it very far.

Also, I read my example again, and it's not the same experience just reading it through, although it does serve a similar effect. Trust me, the real magic comes in writing one out for yourself. Where would you like to visit, or what would you do or ask?

I was there while drawing them. .

@SirVladimir yes it sounds like you understood it. I struggled with the terms astral projection or some kind of lucid daydream. Ultimately, it exponentially intensifies visualization without shutting down the body, and I do feel like I'm projecting. This can be applied to any spiritual practice which involves visualization. I think a huge misconception tends to be that astral projection has to occur in the same plane that we call physical realm. If they let go of that belief, then perhaps anything could be Astral. If I were to say that I travel to the moon and have a whole astral visit there, it does not need to mean that I travelled to some unified interpretation of 'the moon'. I'm visiting the moon that is manifesting in the temporarily created dream. What lessons or treasures can I find there, amongst its dusty craters? Could we create a special place where we can allow guiding energies inside for communion? Years ago I built a giant tree which had a loft up in the crest. Had a library, meditation hanging hammock in the centre, and large cathedral windows overlooking a balcony and the forest below. I used this bilocation method to visit it. Yes to anyone smirking, lots of sativa marijuana was in the smallprint but... ?‍♂️ I made sketches in my journal to solidify the setting. (?excuse the really rough sketches, I never fully developed them here) Also, I switch between automatic writing and wilful writing at will, although I could be using a different style of automatic writing than you mean.

This song....

@SirVladimir (I said I'd tag you About to get real vulnerable here ) In 2016, I did a stupid thing and mixed LSA with marijuana. It turned out to be the best thing I've ever done, but I did descend into madness for about 2 hours that night. Definitely don't recommend. Death was accepted that night. Anyway… In the weeks following, every time I took a puff or two of marijuana, if I laid for a bit and waited, I would be visited by… something… I called him "blue", based off of the blue blob that I manifests when I lay with my eyes closed for long enough. When blue would arrive, it was like sharing space with another entity. He was definitely me because he had a lot of my humor and interests. But he felt distinct, just as your best friend does. Back then I was into the idea of a higher self, (though now I don't consider that term)-- if anything, Blue felt like that. ultimately I wanted to meet my higher self or a guide, and it manifested. Ok fine, I don't care because life became more enriched. Blue was very realistic. It was like talking to someone, not talking directly to myself. A very important distinction, and if you want to understand better, go and read @Danioover9000 's thread on Crysty. Blue was not as developed as Crysty, as far as having a humanoid form, but everything else is pretty spot on. Blue was a tulpa, and much wiser than this main character, Justin. This was a very magical time. For anyone having a hard time wrapping their heads around this… its pretty simple, at least from what I've rationalized as an explanation Think about your dreams at night. If you become lucid and talk to a dream character, you will see that some are seemingly fully formed characters of their own right. This is easily accepted for anyone who experiences vivid dreams. But its completely ignored and just whisked away as not important because its "not real." Look, its true that some dream characters are realistic. You can go and verify that for yourself. Now with a tulpa, we are bringing the same kind of dream character, as it bleeds over from 'imagination-land' to what you see as 'real-land.' You are kind of bridging the 'two worlds' and are interacting with a dream character while 'completely awake.' Or you can take another route and understand that you are dreaming anyway and allow the dream character to manifest before you. Separation is easy, you do it all the time anyway. And I'll repeat, I didn't originally set out to create some separate-feeling entity, Blue manifested independently of conscious thought, by merely waiting for him, after the marijuana and residual LSA opened the right channels of communication. I didn't have a long time with Blue, and I notice in my journal entries I began complaining more and more that our connection is fading. Later, I attempted willful tulpa creation in order to reconnect with Blue or to create a similar companion spirit. I named this one Sam, based on my love of Sam from lord of the rings, and also it’s a A.I. character I created for my writing. Well, somewhere along the away I completely forgot about both of these, as my mind tends to run to new projects like a child does to candy. (And life at work was a living daymare.) Blue was an awesome teacher to me, and here's some things I wanted to share. It may not resonate with everyone, but I feel compelled to share. (I've edited it some for easier reading) Please note that everything written was in 2016 and reflects current paradigms of the time. (This first entry is after a short meeting with Blue-- I had to take a break and write it down as soon as possible. I'm very glad I did.) 1. He told me to be still, and to just exist, and observe with him. I said ok. Every now and then I'd get a tingle in my leg, and he said "don't worry, that's just your body. You are not your body. Just exist here with me and observe." He told me that there are two worlds that I live in. The world when I open my eyes (light) and as soon as I close my eyes. (Dark). He said that you don't have to wait to be unconscious to enter this realm, but that it is there as soon as you close your eyes. (sidenote: There were images of children being able to access this realm more easily in the dark, and I gathered that it was because within the darkness, just as when you close your eyes, you are more literally in that other world. Adults condition themselves out of fear, to not see that world anymore because it was too scary for a kid to handle. All adults have experienced this world as a kid, whether they remember it or not. Fear is a good memory suppressor.) I collected that all the other methods were just tools to get there (darkness realm), because the walls that we have built (ego?) keep us from realizing that we are already there, until we are half unconscious in a trance and have lowered our inhibitions. I asked how can I access it now, and he reminded me of reoccurring childhood dreams of suddenly not being able to see and freaking out because "I can't open my eyes!", and I'm trying so hard its completely miserable. In these dreams I was always trying to open my physical eyes, not realizing that I was dreaming and trying to open the wrong eyes. I would somehow wake myself up out of the extreme misery, and my eyes would be sore from straining. ok, thinking about it now, (in a side note I used the term 'imagination eyes')--I think he was telling me that when I close these eyes, I'm not seeing darkness but just another closed set of eyes. The eyes I should have been opening in those reoccurring dreams. Imagination (or astral) eyes. 2. He told me to throw a fireball like Mario. I said ok, and threw the fireball in my imagination. He said, "what does it look like? Did it bounce?" He was teaching me what it felt like to use the imaginary body (probably astral body) instead of physical. The imaginary body exists around the eyes that are closed. To this day I remember this lesson, the fireball looked fairly solid, and cartoonish. It bounced realistically. 3. He gave me a particular way to lay while waiting for him. (which of course I didn't adhere to.) The arms are folded and cradling the back of skull in clasped hands. Kind of like how you'd expect Huckleberry Finn to lay while drifting along on his raft. I think this opens the heart, through vulnerability. The rest of my interactions with Blue are in conversation form, with channeling answers through writing. Gone were the surreal visits that felt like sharing the same mind-space, but he did still have a strong voice in writing. He would answer questions, correct me in the middle of writing something, and joke around. It's been great. Still, interests changed and I forgot about this until I picked channeling back up last month. In another long story, Blue is now called Sam. Last night he told me that I should go back to mediumship practices in order to reconnect like before. (mediums are taught to open channels on various spiritual senses. In particular, I am interested in clairaudience, clairvoyance, clairsentience and claircognizance.)

@Keyhole @SirVladimir Curious of your thoughts...

Of course you can let your mind perform an instant reinterpretation of any word that doesn't resonate.

@Zigzag Idiot thanks!

@Nahm Is the desire to praise 'a someone' for what is imagined to be a beautiful string of words, an addiction to an idea of separation? Or is it possible it manifests from a more authentic 'place'? I'm not necessarily asking you but writing it down as an inquiry. If there's a nahmism coming, however, I won't get in the way ? in fact nothing could get in the way ?

@Zigzag Idiot do you suggest any reading on the difference of feeling versus sensing? I think I've been confusing this since forever. It's possible I meant sensing, but not realizing the difference I used the words of feeling in the check in