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I'm just gathering some data about different life coaching courses that exist. Ive looked into ipec and even pagans future coach program. As far as I can see eben pagan as a solid program with the only downside being that he tends to upsell and be slightly scummy with his slightly manipulative upselling. I know ipec is expensive like £10K and I know Ebens courses "future coach" and "virtual coach" both cost about £3k combined. According to my research ebens courses have a heavy focus on finding your niche, branding and marketing effectively with what sounds to be a solid business end. And the price point is good for beginner aspiring coaches. Does anyone else have any information about courses that are around the 3000 £ mark that would be equal or better than ebens? (Also if anybody has any general experience with ebens courses + material I'd definitely liked to hear your opinion, including how much he tries to upsell during the courses and how vital and necessary the upsold extra packages are, like are you basically at a massive loss if you don't buy the extra stuff?). Thanks y'all.

Summary of co-active coaching packages: ____ Ai start- Course Packages & What You Get 1. Fundamentals – $1,100 (Online) / $1,400 + VAT (London) 2.5-day intro to Co-Active coaching Covers core coaching skills, mindset, and principles 2. Intermediate Series – $6,900 (Online) / $7,600 + VAT (London) 4 courses: Fulfillment, Balance, Process, Synergy Deepens coaching practice with emotional, cognitive, and systemic tools 3. Certification (CPCC) – $6,500 6-month program Weekly supervision, live client coaching, final exam Leads to CPCC designation and ICF Level 2 path 4. Coach Training Bundle – $8,000 (Online) / $9,000 + VAT (London) Includes both Fundamentals + Intermediate Payment plans available 5. Leadership Program – $19,800 + VAT 10-month in-person intensive 5 retreats + group work focused on transformational leadership Ai end- ___________ Cool. It's a lil more expensive than ebens but I'm getting better vibes from it. It prioritises existential learning. Thank you very much for the comment. I have a while to go yet before I'm worthy of the role so good food for thought thank you ♥️ You know I thought I was Gona start seeing this, eben pagans courses is actually a really good price. And the business end, I mean it looks fucking solid. Defo tempting. Although doesn't help that ebens team is now spamming me slightly with emails about discounts and stuff. Any other ones you'd suggest @Flowerfaeiry ? Something perhaps very similar to the price point of ebens ones but that lean towards spirituality and direct learning and 1-2-1 support. Or perhaps you could try answer this question: are there any places online other than actualized.org that have a lot of people with a lot of experience in becoming life coaches. Like is the replace like that even digitally? I'd love to be able to just find a load of people who have had experiences with a lot of different life coaching programs and just get their advice

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I'm insane about god ♥️ don't mean it in a harmful way

Aw man. I've got this thing that keeps happening to me (I keep re-contextualising myself in outrageous and monumental ways) where I *always* get misinterpreted the first time I enter a new social space. Maybe peeps think I'm arrogant or proud. Then after I continue just being normal (usually being very very actual and inquisitive about spirituality in the meditation sessions for example and sometimes quite intense lol) and over time they realise that I'm just extremely extremely genuine lol. It's been a blessing and a curse, a weakness and a tool. I mean it's been a major asset. Somehow this repetitive re-contextualising thing is used massively to my advantage. Like situations just unfold with impossible coincidences and just impossible outcomes...I mean sober in the normal, egoic social life. I like re-contextualising

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Hells just separation from god, so yeah

(Im not anti-abortion) Yeah but you have to be careful just with this line of reasoning...I mean there's lots of things the government says you can't do with your body. You can't walk into a library naked, your not allowed to put heroin into your body then virtually all laws in existence that dictate what you can and cannot do with your body (moving it and using it to commit any crime).

Word. Although I think it would be slightly more accurate to say that Leo is the best *articulator. Sometimes I find his communications could be slightly better angled. See he's teaching from such a high level, he can't comprehend how low level some of us are at lol. But I mean he's pretty solid. Defo the best teacher/business combo I've ever seen. I know we sort of jest (well I'm jesting) about Leo being the greatest teacher of all time. I think it's pretty safe to assume that in terms of depth, accuracy, power and communication, Leo's up there. It's a trade off, he trades carefulness for power. Good trade imo, someone needs to have the balls to do it

Overview of the general positives and negatives of the future life program and the virtual coach program. ___________ Ai start- Criticisms of Future Coach: - Time-Limited Tools: Access to AI tools expires after 6 months, requiring additional purchases for continued use. - Overwhelming Content: Excessive materials can confuse users about what to prioritize. - Upsell Pressure: Aggressive marketing for higher-tier packages and add-ons. - Limited Live Interaction: Not enough live coaching or personalized feedback. Criticisms of Virtual Coach: - High Cost: The program's price may be prohibitive, especially with added costs for tools. - Limited Real-World Application: Lacks enough practical, hands-on experience. - Overwhelming Information: Extensive content may be hard to digest and apply. - Lack of Personalization: Limited individualized support. --- Positives of Future Coach: - Comprehensive Coaching Framework: Well-structured training covering all aspects of coaching. - AI Tools: Offers powerful AI tools to streamline client management and business operations. - Community Support: Access to a supportive online community of coaches. Positives of Virtual Coach: - Complete Training: Offers a full, step-by-step process to become a certified virtual coach. - High-Value Bonuses: Includes valuable marketing tools, templates, and resources. - Lifetime Access: Course materials are available for lifetime use with the full payment option. Ai end- _________

@Michael569 Im sending just a little chunk of ai generated info about the courses overall. Don't see the wall of words and exit lol I really appreciate your advice. Do you know of any courses that would be better? Possibly with a more appropriate price Vs tutoring? Also I resonate with what you said about not mindlessly going through the programs. Perhaps you could tell me about some courses that are more philosophically/epistemologically stimulating. (Now that you say that, such an emphasis on ai does sound a bit lazy psychologically). Also I was thinking about the fact that if I were to start some kind of coaching operation myself I would want to have teachings and techniques that lean very heavily in the direction of spirituality. It's just difficult because a lot of spiritual teachers are fucking morons. _________ Ai start- Both Future Coach and Virtual Coach by Eben Pagan offer multiple package tiers with varying features and pricing. Here's a refined breakdown of each program, detailing the available packages, their contents, and any additional costs or subscription requirements: --- 🧠 Future Coach Program Duration: 8 weeks 📦 Available Packages 1. Standard Package Price: $997 (one-time) or 4 monthly payments of $297 Includes: 8-Week Future Coach Training & Certification Program Access to coaching tools and resources Community support Access Duration: Participants have access to program materials, including recorded sessions and automated A.I. tools, for at least 6 months after the program ends. 2. Upgrade Package Price: $1,497 (one-time) or 6 monthly payments of $297 Includes: Everything in the Standard Package 12 Coaching A.I. Power Tools 200 Personal & Business Growth Prompts A.I. Accelerator Pack Infographic 12 “Psychic Marketing” A.I. Tools NEXUS: Your Affluent Client Network $100 Million Marketing Templates Self-Made WEALTH Total Value: Over $10,179 3. Pro Package Price: $2,497 (one-time) or 4 payments of $697 Includes: All features of the Upgrade Package Additional advanced training modules and resources Details: Specifics of the Pro Package's additional features are not detailed in the available information. 💡 Additional Costs & Subscriptions All packages are one-time payments or structured installment plans. There are no recurring subscription fees or hidden costs associated with the core packages. Access to program materials is time-limited, with at least 6 months provided post-program for the Standard and Upgrade packages. --- 💻 Virtual Coach Program Duration: 90 days (approximately 12 weeks) 📦 Available Packages 1. Full Payment Option Price: $2,497 (one-time) Includes: Comprehensive 10-week training curriculum Certification upon completion Access to weekly live classes with Eben Pagan and faculty Lifetime access to course materials Bonuses: Tech Tool Trainings ($1,997 value) Marketing Step-By-Step ($997 value) Wake Up Productive ($497 value) Presentations That Pay ($197 value) Digital Product Marketing Library ($24,000 value) One Ticket to Virtual Coach Live ($997 value) Total Bonus Value: Over $30,000 2. Installment Plan Price: $97 refundable deposit, then 6 monthly payments of $497 Total: $3,079 Includes: All features and bonuses of the Full Payment Option 💡 Additional Costs & Subscriptions Both payment options are one-time payments or structured installment plans. There are no recurring subscription fees or hidden costs associated with the core packages. Lifetime access to course materials is provided. --- Summary: Future Coach offers three tiers: Standard ($997), Upgrade ($1,497), and Pro ($2,497), each with increasing levels of resources and tools. Access to materials is time-limited, with at least 6 months provided post-program. Virtual Coach provides two payment options: a one-time payment of $2,497 or a $97 deposit followed by 6 monthly payments of $497, both granting lifetime access to materials and a suite of valuable bonuses. In the Future Coach program, access to most AI tools, templates, and training modules lasts for at least 6 months after the course ends. After that, access may expire unless renewed via subscription—though exact tools and terms aren't clearly listed. The time limit encourages full engagement during the program. For specifics, it's best to contact their support directly. The likely reason why these tools are limited are estimated to be the following reasons: 1. Incentivizes urgency – pushing users to fully engage within a set timeframe. 2. Encourages upsells – offering ongoing access as a potential subscription or upgrade. 3. Offsets costs – running advanced AI tools has real expenses on their end. (Also because these tools are designed primarily for business startup to bootstrap the launch and start of business). Ai end- ________

Murder doesn't exist

I predict another assassination attempt 🎯

Normal answer: either Portugal or Netherlands. Spiritual answer: emm...I'm going to god? Philosophical answer: ultimately there isn't anywhere to go. My understanding is that existence is similar to art, in that it exists, because it's cool and sorta better than staring at nothing. It cultivates emotion and is beautiful. Temporary, inspiring, diverse. But ultimately, no purpose behind or beyond this. But this is from awakened state, from lower states lots of purpose which is totally awesome to have.

I'm sure she's got good intentions, but something's up with her hair (front)...she seems like an uncalibrated looney. I'll stick with the calibrated loonies here

It could be argued that everything is in ultimate control and the only thing that exists is control. I mean, I've seen major evidence that there is a force above and beyond us that manipulates all of reality to it's will. I do whatever it says and I win every time in ridiculous ways

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Such a banger

This one's a good party one. Power vibes

@hyruga @Adam M @Thetruthseeker Do you think his course is not worth it? I mean...his insights seem pretty direct and solid. His marketing is clearly driven... You know in a way I'm not even that discouraged about the fact that he was trying to sell you loads of stuff in the summit... To me if he is able to sell well then he is more likely to be able to teach me how to sell well. I've only been able to see a small amount of him so far but I've been doing more research on his future coach program. I mean it seems pretty okay definitely for the price point as well. The fact that he focuses on branding niche and marketing so much as well as AI automation really puts a flavor in my mouth as to the methods he likes to work with. I kind of get a good feeling about it. But I'm also trying to do research to find out if there's anything that I should be mindful of before I buy his course. Are there any major negatives or like red flags I should be looking out for his program or his content?

@LastThursday Ai: In the 2023 Mental State of the World report by Sapien Labs, the colors on the bar chart represent five mental health categories: Purple = Distressed Red = Struggling Blue = Enduring Yellow = Managing Light Green = Succeeding Dark Green = Thriving Each bar shows what percentage of people in a country fall into each category. Ai end. __________ Another shocking statistic is that while the UK is the second most mentally ill country on the planet, Northern Ireland is considered to be roughly 25% more mentally ill than the rest of the UK. If this is true, considering that the UK has a score of 49... If Northern Ireland is 25% worse its score is around 37, ranking well below Uzbekistan making Northern Ireland the single most mentally ill country in existence. 🤭 How fun.