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Great point. This is quite complex and i am not sure i understand. So once an empath can make the distinction they may still have to work through their conditioning on how they should be treating others and situations right? Also let's say someone is acting, pretending they were hurt, would you automatically be able to tell they were just faking?

@JohnnyBravoyou come off as “stereotyping” empaths as being bold good hearted humans as silly as that sounds. It’s quite off the mark despite what experiences you may have had. It goes deeper than just saying no. To be conditioned to not put yourself first is extremely tough to deal with and knowing when to be selfish or vulnerable does not come easy. It’s basically like telling someone driving “why didn’t you see that car in your blind spot?” Edit: but I think it’s good you aren’t supporting the empath should hold a superiority mindset regarding their adaptability

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@Recursoinominado Do you think personality type is a big component? If someone doesn’t enjoy aloneness and is very extroverted maybe they would be better off with others or a sitter. Also id agree confidence isn’t condusive to a good trip, it’s more about surrender

If you dont exist, why believe these thoughts? If it's all an illusion, even suffering how beautiful is that. You can put focus on anything anywhere any time or you can simply be here now and bask in the infinitude of life. This means being okay with not being okay, not identifying as you or awareness, and not even knowing

Honestly i don't feel it matters. Setting and mindset far outweigh the sitter imo.

Thank you for sharing this man <3 Damn it sounds so painful. You are right but let me add some more. She really did know...but her focus was always on herself and it's the only way she knows how to be. She could only relate to you as if you were focused on yourself even though you were focused on her. She refused to believe you could put her first, she rationalized in her head that you had become the enemy, could not be trusted and therefore threatened her well being. Unfortunately you only ever mattered to her when it fit her agenda, but this means you still mattered, but only in the self-centered way as you said The Narcissist will only look from the perspective of how others are in relation to him/her, there relationship with the world. It's sad, my father is a narcissist and both my brother and I have never really connected with him on an emotional level. He doesn't even know who we are but likes to assume the best. We have struggled with our relationship with him since we've grown old enough to see him for who he is but we don't blame him anymore, he's just not a part of either of our lives. edit: You probably know all of this ive added anyways also for her put you first is to threaten her sense of self, it might even make her a "bad" person

@AndreasAll religion stem from spirituality, in fact, it is simply an interpretation of Truth, creating relative truths/stories...we can see the link in all the various religions so it is quite clear how this has all come about and when it is judged, this comes from a place of misunderstanding. If you must 'think' of religion maybe you could also notice the perspective that it is used to help people let go, surrender, and spread love/connection. Instead of choosing to be against all religion, why not be ONE with all religion as to not support the DIVISION it unknowingly creates but spread the connection for all humanity

I am not sure what it's like for you but for her everything became her responsibility, she wanted to control whatever she could as she had always been a big worrier. Possibly a chronic need to see and spot things that needed to be done (this seems most accurate actually), she just couldn't stop to set priorities. Later i encouraged her to delegate more and she seems to have let go of much worry

@Serotoninluvthat's cool yeah i read empath will actually feel how others are while narcissists will only know what others are feeling without experiencing the emotions themselves. To identify as human this seems to be the healthiest way to express oneself as an empath. The beauty of headlessness is there's no more identification or judgement and no more matches to those of specific energy intentions. the trans-personal is beyond any sort of labels, beliefs, or boundaries. I used to hate myself in my early 20s when i realized i was not able to change and i started to focus on my worst qualities. Had a spout of bipolar depression and just wished i could be "normal". I was driven into more kinds of destructive behavior, however it inevitably brought me closer to the true nature of being.

@now is foreverHonestly i actually think my mom used cleaning and staying busy as a way to bypass her thoughts/ emotions (problems) and/or suppress them, because she would end up having random nasty outbursts as she couldn't ask the family to help out, like it seemed to be against her nature

I wouldn’t say only narcissists manipulate however, maybe I’m wrong. To recognize one’s intent, for a narcissist, would be hard. Humility/honesty maybe. Empaths actually attract narcissists and vis-versa as opposites i identified myself as a narcissist many years ago in a stage of hating myself but wasn’t ever able to confirm it. I have learned to act with pure intent as my awareness has risen

Cool I thought maybe I was an empath but maybe I’m an energy vampire/narcissist ?? anyhow it is what it is and it’s cool to explore ?

relating to thought-self, maybe like an introvert that says, oh that's just how i am. you did a good job of explaining earlier how it impacted you when it was overwhelming but yeah maybe like a keen sense of awareness with clarity beyond the normal person

My parents fought, dad drank, we endured, a messy divorce. I have an idea of its complexity but this isn't the reason i was bringing it up. I just think it's relevant for the whole discussion of judging religion and seeing mechanical patterns of the mind/belief systems, understanding why people can't simply change if they don't know why they do/feel/think in a certain way.

Okay sure an enhanced ability developed with focus stemming from a specific identification trait. Coping mechanism in the sense like a war veteran who responds to loud noises as if they were still at war. However this awareness might also allow the veteran to spot something extraordinary because of their training...would you say this is similar?

it's not theory dude, it's understanding the self. It really does help to see how violence is created within us. An individual has to be willing to learn about this directly see it within themselves and this can carry over to seeing a dangerous situation for what it is and being able to diffuse it without fear alcohol/drugs = forms of escape but also lead to out of control situations. The under the radar home abuse is probably often without drugs

I would have to agree, there's definitely a cognitive component for empaths, unforeseen. IMO to be an empath is actually a personality / coping mechanism developed in adolescents. I don't see it as a gift or a curse but something to be mindful of as it is pretty deeply conditioned into the psyche. By unconsciously choosing to put our focus on the energy levels of those around us we become influenced by our own thoughts and emotional state in relation. It is possible to choose our own focus/meanings of sensations to keep the emotional boundaries desired in a situation

@Andreasit is helpful to understand violence/nonviolence. What it is exactly, how it’s created and perpetuated by the mind. https://jkrishnamurti.org/content/isnt-comparison-form-violenc discussion by David bohm and Krishnamurti I think. @Serotoninluvyou may be interested as well. There’s some good talks Krishnamurti has with David bohm on YouTube. Here’s one: title: the future of humanity part 1

And here rises the need for religions

@Andreasto understand you will have to stop pointing the finger and figure out your own beliefs regarding religion, and why it's just as incorrect. Do check out some STREET EPISTEMOLOGY interview VIDEOS on youtube as it might be helpful for you on an emotional level to see where people are coming from in their religious beliefs

Yes i agree and think it's great in the sense of waking people up to their own irrationality. The interview/method is designed to promote openness and the dude does a great job at staying objective and allowing interviewees to deepen their understanding of beliefs. I speak of Anthony something rather, not sure we are speaking of the same dude but he claims to seek truth but whether he's an agnostic or atheist is beyond me. I don't see it being too beneficial either, but found it intriguing and useful in understanding the structure of truth and beliefs. I did a little mock interview with Jack River a while ago asking him what was his strongly held belief. He said "I am a belief". It didn't work so well this way but it was kind of funny, me, pretending not to know what on earth he meant, just to see how it might unfold with the interviewer seeking truth

This has actually been the goal for street epistemology over the years. As Eric says, this has to be a personal change, just like your view on religion. People still cling to there beliefs and don't fully understand why they ended up with the belief in the first place. Go ahead and search street epistemology on youtube and there are many interviews with people on a great method to help others dive into and question their beliefs.

@Viking this has helped me too. To end all the theorizing that comes with learning all of this work is often what leads to even deeper Insights it is very healthy to walk away for however long it takes to have experiential growth, especially if you don’t feel like much benefit is coming from this all in sort of focus on spirituality

@now is forevermy mother has this problem or had it a lot while I was growing up. It’s almost like it becomes a subconscious habit, she was quite disorganized herself. So one of the biggest things I notice about her is her inability to relax, she always felt like she needed to be doing something. Anyways I think this time management is a skill to develop that involves setting your priorities