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@BakeJeyner I feel you. Was at a very similar point in my past. Turns out it was the best thing that could have ever happened to me, but that took me years to realize. But eventually it happened - and it will happen for you, too, someday. Meditate. Take your time. Take it easy. Relax. I can tell you: It's all gonna be good. You're in for quite some surprises. Buckle up and enjoy the ride!

@Red-White-Light It is still the most fitting term.

Woah .. do you really trust yourself so little?

Okay. It's like this: You don't really want to stop. Why else would you keep doing it? Why do you even want to stop? It's obviously not clear enough. There's something that it seems to give you. That's what you feel. Examine that! Do the action .. but do it as consciously as possible. Once it's totally clear that you want to stop, it will be very easy. The suffering results because you experience a division inside yourself. One part wants to stop but the other wants to keep doing it. Do it totally - and then stop totally.

@PurpleTree I think you forgot the /s

@Craigxt22 Don't force yourself to trip. Integrate thoroughly. Grounding is very important with the psychedelic approach. You could trip once a week for a while and then take a break. Do what feels right! For most people it's probably not advisable to trip all the time. If it feels right, do it. If not, please don't. It's not about the number of trips, but about their depth.

Good thing you aren't that.

I, too, had some strange dreams like that a few months before my intellectual awakening (seeing with my mind how everything is consciousness), and a few years before actual deep emotional awakenings (actually feeling that everything is consciousness, and realizing what that means). So .. just keep at it. This right now are merely preliminary tremors at best.

@SonataAllegro You gotta be kidding me Nice! I'm working on a psychedelic musical play which will be performed at a live event. I will be wearing the mask you see as my avatar and live-perform by playing the Piano as well as singing, dancing and narrating the story to partly pre-produced music, ambient as well as danceable electronic music, whatever the story at that moment calls for. The goal is to reach a collective orgasmic state by transcending the emotions we're being moved through by the music and by actively dancing and singing and thus experiencing communion and essentially God together. Being on a psychedelic will be very helpful here. It's not a must but it will be strongly hinted at that this event is especially made to be on one. It will be called - the vibvent. More details will follow soon. I plan on starting a YouTube channel where I document the process from my vision I have right now to the first realized events. I already have over an hour of pure music and am currently writing the story, song texts, and planning and rehearsing some ideas how the event can be conducted, and what to say to bring everyone attending on the same page and so on. I'm already doing a few very first alpha version on my own, and will in the foreseeable future extend it to a small group of people - and then finally someday hold one publicly, accessible by any interested person. But this is a long way to go. What do you plan, if I may ask? Did my description match anything you also intend to do?

@SonataAllegro Music is the purpose. That's what makes it very alike to Life itself. And it's also what makes it go beyond science and logic. Today science is being seen as "hard" and "real" and "practical" while music is allusive and "soft" and not so important in comparison. Maybe there's a future where this notion will be switched. I'm working on it

You are God. That's why your perceived limitations are of course your creation. It's like asking: "Can God create a rock that he can't lift." The answer is yes. And you're experiencing it right now.

@Behrad You could. But you are too used to it. It's not so easy to break habits. If it was our society would look much different. You could wear glasses that show you everything upside down for a few weeks. That would then become your new normal. In this way it's by the way possible to do what you want! The method has only to be believable to you.

And again .. what advice exactly are you looking for here? If you just want to go on a whim .. do it. If you want to be strategic .. ask better question.

But how will you make a million dollars if you don't have a plan? Do you have something which you would call your life purpose? Moving to NY could be integrated into that I suppose. But I don't think that NY as the be all end all - so to speak as your sole life purpose - will gonna cut it.

I, too, already had a vision before I started the LP. It helped me to make my vision more concrete. I also learned new helpful concepts. There are also a lot of practical exercises that are really helpful. Chances are that you didn't do most of them by yourself already. And of course you support Leo by doing the LP

Well .. then why did you even come here? What do you want to hear? There's not even a real question in your original post.

Music is extremely important in this era. Is music still masturbatory when performed together with a group of people? Wouldn't it be better then to call it a sexual activity? But on a higher level than the level of the body. Like an emotional communion. We don't even really know what music is right now. It's like science: We think we have it all figured out, only the minor details remain to be discovered. But maybe some extremely unexpected discoveries lay ahead. So that the notion of music in 100 years will be something completely different than today.

While the process of composition is something that works best in a sober state, classic psychedelics like mushrooms or LSD work really great for listening to and performing music, including dancing and especially singing. I would even go so far to claim that music and psychedelics can work extremely well together to create communal religious experiences. Which is by the way what my life purpose centers around.

You have to face it fully someday. But you can build up to it. Doing it in meditation is generally a lot easier than unprepared on a high dose of psychedelics. The shift in consciousness on a psychedelic is much more rapid. It can really bitch-slap you hard. That usually doesn't happen while meditating.

@Corpus Of course you can learn from a difficult experience to prepare yourself better for it. When you ride a bike and fall, it is certainly a learning experience. It hurts anyways. So it's better to be smart and not to go too fast with little practice. Else you risk not daring to ride again.

It's not about bringing the thoughts under control, but to surrender the one who is stuck. This is totally possible in any circumstance. But you can be blocked due to various egoic patterns. That's why it's very important to practice meditation beforehand, to properly prepare and to be in a fitting setting. Otherwise you risk being stuck in such a state, and suffering tremendously. Meditation is in a way a method to practice surrender. Surrender means to completely embrace what's happening, and in a sense let reality obliterate you. It means letting go of the identification with the small self that clings onto survival. And when it dies, what remains is pure Reality .. or God. Without yourself. And this is the Truth. Surrender can not be achieved by thinking about it, or in any way through logic.

Great report, thank you for sharing. And I could really vibe to that Soko song. The solution to such a situation is of course complete and utter surrender. You stumbled upon the truth, which is out of the perspective of the ego absolutely horrifying. That's why it has to be surrendered.

A Psychedelic is not something that gives you a specific experience. The experience is in the eye of the beholder and not in the substance. By that I mean: You give a substance into your biochemical system which has a very complex interaction with that, what is already there. That means: One person can have a profound spiritual experience on a psychedelic, while another one stays in his/her closed-minded state. You can not separate the substance and the user! Only then it would be possible, that the substance alone is responsible for the effect. Another point of view is of course: You invented it all! You invented a way of experiencing a radical different perspective, which is accessible without decades of meditation, and you called it Psychedelics. That means you also create the effects yourself every time you take one. Which makes it even more true, that YOU (on a certain level, which you may or may not be conscious of) decide what happens when you take a substance, and what doesn't.

Hedonism is a very shallow form of pleasure. There are pleasures far greater out there, if you even had a taste you would instantly know that God is a reality. Nothing against a little bit of hedonism, but there are things really worth experiencing that do not come by themselves! Which is what makes the process so beautiful. You don‘t want to look back and think, that you wasted your life in mediocrity. The so called „hedonism“ is often times only an escape from the Path Of Passion.

Did you have a powerful psychedelic experience yet? Do you think that was completely illusory?