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1. Pain and suffering are two different things 2. You can’t will yourself to have 0 resistance 3. Without pain no pleasure 4. Suffering is often the best teacher 5. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature 6. Trying to eliminate suffering leads to more suffering 7. The opposite of suffering is Love

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@BlackPhil There are actually many worldviews here. In fact we all disagree with each other ?

@BlackPhil Well I don't want to take any healing you received away from you, I'm happy for you. But I don't think you will have much luck here conversing people into your worldview. When I met Jesus he said everything's allright. He can't believe what they did to his teachings when he was gone

@BlackPhil Jesus, isn't a thread enough already

I quite like it here. I thought heaven is a place on earth

I'm pretty sure a muslim would disagree.

But who created the creation? I thought God is allmighty? Didn't create God at least the one that created the creation

@BlackPhil But I'm sure there are people that have never heard of Jesus, nor will they in their lifetime. What about them? How can you look for something when you don't know about it?

Did you test that?

What about people that never come in contact with christianity? Are they just doomed?

@SOUL That's certainly the case when you're on the so-called spiritual path in the beginning. But there can be only one non-experience, because there can't be a distinction between two non-experiences.

I know exactly what feeling you mean. I personally don't experience it on or after most psychedelics. It happens on weed though. It's probably just heightened social anxiety as you said already. Maybe take a few days off after an experience and be in solitude to contemplate the trip.

@Breakingthewall Have you tried to stop pushing? Or are there responsibilities that don't let you? What stops you?

1. is this also the case while on them during the trip? 2. it could be a hint that you're not very connected to the people around you or that you just don't vibe with them. Being sober it's way easier to just pretend. 3. Maybe you just need that time to process the experience. Is it only for a few days and then back to normal or does some of it linger after that?

Having no money can lead to the experience of becoming wealthy, which is way more amazing than just being rich. If you recognize that the people around you are stupid and evil it's a great hint that you have unfinished emotional business somewhere. The people around you are never random. Illness can be really painful and uncomfortable. But it can also tell you that some things you did in your life don't work our anymore. It is the body fighting for its survival, which is an expression of Love. The possibility of illness also gets you to treat your body well. It makes you appreciate being healthy in the first place.

@Yimpa @Breakingthewall It's all perfect in its context. Dysfunction has a reason, often some kind of misunderstanding. It is beautiful because it shows you a lack of understanding of some part of reality. War is perfect because it is an expression of our egoic structures. by feeling the pain and seeing all the tragedy it becomes clear that our ways were wrong. Essentially suffering means that we're not in alignment with Love. Suffering is love because it tells us our disconnection from it in a way that's impossible to ignore. Suffering is often the greatest teacher. No suffering is ever for nothing. It all pans out in the end.

Lucifer literally means bringer of light ? (Edit: correction, it means lightbearer) But in my personal experience so far Love presented itself as an incredibly bright light that touched and spoke directly to my heart. It seemed to not only contain all colors, but all emotions too. In fact I'd say every emotion is a facet of love, like white light shining through a prism. And it had humour, a lot of it.

Transcending humanity.

Bingo.

Okay, Leo said no more beating up, so I'm trying to be nice. That's not really true. Your actions have consequences. If you do "evil" stuff (or call it egotism) it will fall back on you in one way or the other. Yeah but it's about living the best and most beautiful life you can. This is your only chance to make THIS life the best possible version it can be. I see where you're coming from. But you're misunderstanding what "confronting" means. I think you're just using those very crude ways of confronting yourself with seemingly difficult things to distract you from confronting the real difficult things - those that are able to shatter your view of yourself and the world. It's about raising your consciousness by seeing THROUGH the shadows. You don't want to wallow in negativity, that's only going to lower your state of consciousness and thus leading to more suffering.

Every time life throws you a curveball it's a reminder that it's even more beautiful than you thought. But first your current worldview has to be shattered.

@nistake If you're beyond the ego stuff absolute solipsism becomes the most beautiful thing ever. Hang in there You imagined every character here, that's right, but it gets even weirder, because a higher version of you imagined YOU. And so on to infinity, but on every level there's totally different rules and versions of reality. To discover that greater version of yourself is most relieving, because you realize that you're not alone - yet you of course are all alone, but it doesn't feel lonely, but more connected than you could ever feel before. You are watching yourself while you figure this thing out. It's like an enigma. You're a creator in formation.

You are.

In my day to day I live with the awareness that everything that happens is absolutely perfect and that this very moment IS the current expression of the Absolute, there's nothing beyond that and never will be. It is very clear to me that some sort of further realization of nothingness/everythingness or unexpressed infinite potential holds no further value to me. That's what's absolutely clear in my direct awareness. It's enough to have had that realization, and that mustn't be a huge event. It's more like a simple "aha". If that's what you mean by "enlightenment", it's no experience at all, it's just a recognition. Otherwise it would just be another experience you remember after it happened.