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You're still splitting reality in half: in mind bad, out of mind good. That only leads to suffering long-term

You're just addicted to no-mind. Next step is to realize that even in the mind you are that

Hm I wouldn't say so. First there's non-being, then there's pure impersonal beingness and out of that emanates the personal God that creates the world. Call it non-beingness - holy spirit - father - son But there's definitely something prior to experience, you just can't experience it (duh). But you can become aware of it I'm not trying to sell you another enlightenment as said, it's not an experience, just a recognition. Possibly you even know it and we just talk a little bit past each other

That's what I'm talking about the whole time It is important to recognize that you are prior to experience. But then we can begin to REALLY experience some crazy shit here

Haha that's exactly what I experienced in my last trip. I perceived it like this: Time exists only from our human perspective. In reality your mind can think in much more dimensions at once, not only in 3D. It can even think inside the dimension we call time. What we experience here is a tiny sliver of those mind while ignoring the rest of it. We are like 3D-thoughts of something in a higher dimension. Experience is all we will ever know. If there's something outside of it it still must first enter experience to become aware of it, which begs the question if there is even something outside of it. I said that being is prior to experience. Being is eternal, unchanging and total. Prior to that may still be non-being, etc. But none of those can be directly experienced. But what if pure being can only exist when an experience exists, that is not pure being.

The conceptual mind is a beautiful instrument when used correctly.

Paradigms are more sneaky than that. They literally define how you see and experience the world without being aware of it, without ideas you can identify running through your head. They are deeply ingrained into your psyche.

@Ajax I think we mean something different with the word 'experience' here. I talk about an experience that happens in the moment. You talk about accumulated past experiences, right? That's what makes discussions like this so tricky. Everybody has their own definitions of those terms, especially when we talk about the mind and consciousness.

I'd say it's impossible to abandon all paradigms. It is only possible to become more conscious of them. No way of looking at the world will ever be final. There are always more beautiful, more truthful worldviews.

@Yimpa @Breakingthewall Exactly. For the materialist scientist materialism IS the reality, there's no other possibility. It's like a fish in the water that's unconscious of the fact that there even is a medium in which it's able to swim.

I generally agree. There are experiences that are higher and lower – you could also call it higher and lower states of consciousness. We pursuit higher and higher states of consciousness. At some point they become so radical that it's impossible to even have an idea if you've never experienced them. I also think that it will become about creating high states of consciousness together here on this earth. My proposition (until it's either confirmed or invalidated) is, that we can create much higher states of consciousness together than is possible alone. And someday we will become ONE as humanity. Literally in the sense that we wake up to the fact that we're all the same being. I had an awakening into the future of humanity and it was absolutely breathtaking. Nobody sees coming what's really possible on this planet. I wish I could share the feeling I had in that moment... it's unfortunately impossible to convey via mere words.

@Ajax You're kinda right. But you only can become aware of ideas through experience.

@Leo Gura Thank you for the clarification.

I can guarantee you with extremely high certainty that this isn't the case. Paradigms are never perceived as such when you're inside them.

Every participator influences what this forum is. If someone is unwilling to develop but instead tries to convert everyone else to their perspective it can certainly become toxic.

I'm in the state of the art.

On the other hand it could point to an aspect of reality I haven’t considered yet. So who knows…

@Yimpa I see. The trick is.. it makes no difference what Leo answers, because he can’t give me anything I don’t already know anyway. But still I’m curious

LOL

Juicy stuff! I even like to think of this dream as the greatest symphony ever created.

I'll contemplate and deconstruct it all, no doubt. Everything I write here is based on my current understanding, else I couldn't write anything at all. Why write then in the first place? To help me deconstruct but also solidify my current understanding. Both processes happen at the same time. Differentiation and integration.

What do you mean? Can you elaborate? What is your understanding of 'hallucination'?

I guess someday you/I'll have to take the leap and be free of any doubt. I got a feeling..

Sounds great

Existence is already complete, there's nothing to do there. Here's where the fun's at.