Etherial Cat

So the fact he's married, and post video like this isn't enough to presume he's no longer into womanizing in your opinion? What you seem to miss is that assuming this is not enough proof is also based on an assumption you're making about his character. -- Treating well ≠ niceness. Women are definitely attracted to men who treat them well. There is nothing to say there. If you disagree with the statement above, it means you believe women are attracted to men who treat them poorly and that's absolutely false. Niceness on the other hand means an excessive, spineless behavior. So the two concepts aren't describing the same reality. Women are attracted to men who are both respectful of themselves and others. A man who is falling in the niceness spectrum lacks spine and often has poor boundaries. Which is why it looks unattractive.

So perhaps next time directly address the answer given to the question, instead of quoting the question like it was never answered. To give some context, I've been talking about Russel as per his current version. As I said earlier, he is married and has settled down. There are plethora of videos on his channel where you can see Russel's character and his view on sexuality. Therefore, assuming he treats woman right is far from being outlandish. For someone who is so adamant I'm assuming things... I'll have to ask you where you're pulling that presumption from? Where did I state that women are attracted to niceness? It seems to me that you've got an inaccurate representation about the way I think.

@Harlen Kelly I already told you I'm not triggered. ?

@Derek White What about you read the thread further and read the reply given a few post after?

@Harlen Kelly No. Incorrect mood reading ?. Maybe some weariness. I'm so fed up at reading PUA creates out of the world studs, when it doesn't. ?

@Harlen Kelly Vagina dry. But my eyes are bleeding.

And obviously @Harlen Kelly is a prime exemple of a stud with GAME. Talking non stop about compulsively banging hot woman and loves to go by the motto "I don't owe them a relationship" once it's done. Irresistible, indeed. It screams the word "catch". Fixed it for ya.

Exactly!

Because I follow him on social media and if he'd behave like his, he'd have some serious personality split leading to functional incapacity. He's got plenty of videos on the subject, and one can just presume he's applying to his life what he preaches. Regarding Game: Just check what he had to say about PUA in the video you listed earlier. Russel doesn't describe his way of being with women as PUA technics or Game. At 2mn 04 sec, he says what he thinks of it: Manipulative and tricking. Which is exactly the point as lot of us make. I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Once upon a time, he was quite a different person from his own admission. If you'd ask him about it, I'm certain he'd come close to the analysis I made before. "I used to want to fill an inner void, so I tried to dick any vagina I could find". But I do bet his current ratio is nowhere similar to where it used to be nowadays and this is what I've been referring to. Russel is now married and has kids. He's a totally different person. That's probably when the relationship gets holistic enough to call it being in a relationship for most. But you can sleep with people without getting a girlfriend as well.

The reason why women love Russel is because he treats them well. If he'd have the wish to get laid 100s of time for the sake of sex his energy would be different. Having sex with 100s of women is purposeless and boring. It seems like the behavior of someone who is relentlessly searching for something and doesn't find any solace from one night to the other. That's a behavior typically coming from lost, bereft people.

Russel seems to be "a natural" to me. His attractiveness comes from being an effortless incarnation of several Divine Masculine archetype with a very well integrated feminine side. He's not trying to seduce anyone to get something out of them, for himself. Which is what is repulsive (aka creepy) in Pick Up Artist. He's just playful and flirtatious. From what I've seen so far, most PA have an underlying vibe of insecurities and devilry. They use women as second order interest to validate themselves and fix a deficient self-esteem or frame themselves as studs in front of other guys. They also put sex above other consideration. Usually, they go from partner to partner and have issues settling down or to create meaningful relationships. Also, from what I have noticed IRL, they come from a place of control which they hardly want to surrender EVEN while in relationship. A lot of them distrust women and see relationship as a zero-sum-game. For a woman like me, PUA are only studs in their heads. When it comes to having the most important qualities to make a relationship work, there is nothing. And there is something almost comical in having so called seduction expert insisting on Game being so irresistible when all you it inspires you is to lock your vagina behind a chastity panty. Russel on the other hand, is whole, doesn't come off as needy, doesn't delegate his authority nor search validation through approval. He's been married twice and has children. He loves women. He's been committing to women. He's being playful in his seduction and operates from a win-win paradigm. I don't think he'd refer his way of interacting with the other gender as "Game". I've been flirting with people since I've been a teenager. But this has nothing to do with PUA. In the video posted earlier, you even see him state why he dislike PUA and he converges towards my analysis. -> PUA try to distillate seduction principles and use them for their own gain. And that's unattractive to anyone who's able to clock that behavior.

@Raphael You can anytime send me a DM. That seems very common in men, you know. Guys are emotionally suppressed and taught to disregards emotions and see them as something weak which needs to be controlled. So it's a bit of a paradox.

I'm interested in conscious relationships as much as I can. The least lies and deception mechanism I can go through, the better. You know how falsehood is pushing water with a broomstick upwards. I want to show myself as I am. I want the guy to stick around because he likes me, and not some facade. Self-Deception, tactics, manipulation and playing games are the last thing I'd recommend for bringing cohesion in a couple. It will just lead the two people in a lie. Honesty, integrity and being clear with your agenda and intention is your best bet.

! Sounds good! Keep us updated.

We are hard wired for a multi-level form of attraction because sex is only one aspect of a relationship. For us, sex is more of a culmination point. That's how we are designed as female, as you say. We also certainly engage into sorting out the highest quality mates we can get, but assigning this value is a mix both of objective and subjective factors. And the subjective factors is where one has got margin to bring up awareness and more conscious dating, out of what is imposed to us by nature. Our experience as human is limited and thus conditional by default because reality enforces on us standards we have to cope with. Which means we can't give our time and ressources away to everybody. This is why the objective factors can't be ignored. Whether you want to call these aspects "game" or not is up to you, but I dislike this wording due to the pre-existing lingo which ties it to sheer seduction. So I think it brings potentially a lot of confusion here. There are two notions here, survival and "game". And while game is survival, survival and game aren't the same thing. Also... I don't get why it is so outlandish to want a man to stick around. Ideally, isn't this also what you are also looking for? The two survival drives are more synergetic than two distinct and conflicting agendas over the long run. It's about finding out to reconciliate them, not making it a zero sum game.

The waiting before sex thing has more to do with assessing compatibility and health before putting yourself in a vulnerable position. Whether it is physically, emotionally, socially.. And at this point it has little to do with a seduction strategy, because before several interactions usually you don't even know if you are interested. Seeing this as a power move or game consciously played on men is not so much the right lens. Sure, some women will do that. But in general, it's nothing malicious. The want is just not fully there yet.

I'd suggest you not to think too much ahead . This is a decision that should be made as things unfolds and more context precise what should be done. But in this situation I'd see two ways. 1) Dropping your romantic expectations if no clear signs on interest or investment are given on his side IF you are sincerely up for having him as a friend. 2) Call it quit. You want to see this guy start taking the lead and invest in the relation with his time, care and effort. If you've got to keep nudging him to come to you after you've reached him on social media + initiated conversations + made most of talks+ took the lead for hanging around + got all flirty, and he's still not even reaching out with a text afterwards... Something is off. I'd move my focus elsewhere until he shows reciprocity.

It sounds like some low investment, blue zone type of texting to me. You say you are mostly chatting with him through social media, and haven't met him yet again IRL. So, so far, you are quite foreign to him. Just a virtual acquaintance texting him from time to time. I'd suppose that if he has average skills with females, he's probably aware he could try something with you. If that's the case, he's not interested enough to make it move to the other level and that happens. But some guys with less experience can totally miss cues and obvious opportunities. It's a thing. Just beware of him becoming an MPI guy (minimum personal investment) using you as an ego validatation tool, leaving you in limbo. That's also a thing. If I were you, I'd casually offer him to hang around once (you'll need to find a reason or opportunity to make it happen). Then, casually let him know you're interested. You do this by showing you are open and receptive, through being genuinely flirty and playful. If he still doesn't get it, a few insinuation. But definitely let him do enough of the work and show investment. If he misses the opportunities, just assume this stuff is not working. Also, you want to look whether he initiates the conversation and seek you from time to time. If nothing comes from him and you do the heavy lifting, just move on. You've got to see your time and energy as the n°1 priority. Save your ressource for guys with whom you can go somewhere and are willing to put efforts. Forget the others.

Ya little trickster! I didn't see it coming. It 100% make sense, though!

It seems like she was waiting for you to make a move. Obviously, she gave you some clear sign she was interested. I'd say, you've lacked assertiveness. I personally like outward flirting and a clear intention on the masculine side. At least, when I accept the flirting and give the green lights. If then I am being left waiting and nothing happens, it comes off very "bleh" and disappointing. There is a quote saying that women forgive easily a clumsy move from someone they are interested, but have a harder time dealing with a missed opportunity. Maybe she's low key disappointed. You could try waiting for a new opportunity to show and see if she gives you clear signs again. This time, try to take the lead for the next level type of flirting... while still being detached from the outcome. And also, don't beat yourself up so much. This type of talking is going against being detached of outcome which is what you want to get at. Ideally, if something like that happens you want to be able to rebound very easily. Keep talking with girls. Create yourself even more opportunities by being social like you've been so far. You did very well until that point.

@Nahm

@Mz Hyde It's designed to make you forget your body. From what I can recall, there is no smell and the taste in your mouth is by default so familiar you don't pay attention to it in daily life. Except if you do the fatal mistake to bite into some raw onion. Feelings are not a sense, just like thoughts aren't a sense. They are both part of mind and what creates a sense of self through identification. As a human being, you can't ever expect to stop having feelings or thoughts. But as far as I know, thoughts can be drastically diminished by doing serious spiritual work or via enlightenment. Both are tied to one another. A thought should be linked to its corresponding feeling. The reason most of us do not experience this is because the average human nowadays is so emotionally repressed and fragmented. Nope. Nothing would have been done to stop the mind from the level you're talking. To do this, it's meditation, psychadelics or death.

Experiment it for yourself... Get into a sensory deprivation tank.

Habit should be renamed constancy.