Etherial Cat

Yep, gotcha. If I get what you're going through correctly, doing that work is really though on a personal level, causes many logistical issues (basically if you change and your surroundings not, it's even more awful) and so forth. And you still need to make sure you're functional enough for survival in that hostile environment of yours... Exaggerating about what we feel and think is quite common when we're having an emotional release through our writings. I certainly wrote stuff I disagreed with retrospectively when I had my journal, but the energy seemed to kinda want out in a certain fashion at that point. It gets out how it's charged, and has little to do with factuality. So it materializes into distorted thinking, it seems. And if it's like very old stuff- like deep subconscious believes- I've heard they are likely stuck at the same maturity level we had when we caught them. Sometimes they even get intertwined with more recent emotions and it becomes quite a funny and cringey mess to read, over time. What I have found out, is that it is okay to be a bit petit and express how we've perceived things, instead of camouflaging it. That petitness is unfortunately how our ego has created a false narrative, and we know deep within it isn't true. It's just a subjective chimera, and going through that process allows us to recognize that it is a lie. Right, I've seen you trying to learn how to program. Sad to hear that even going through medical school doesn't give you any solide prospects. Is it not possible for you to emigrate let say to a place like Canada, once you are done? Yeah, I get you on the intergenerational trauma. We're all carrying humanity's trauma since the dawn of time (some stuff has been circulating since the moment humanity started getting ego and passed until now for sure) but some cultural karmas are heavier than others. And it's not helped by the current collective hallucination and actions taken either nor by how bigger collective ego brutalize the area you're living in. Your anger and unhappiness seems very much understandable. Every human wish they could have their needs met. Yours have been particularly let down and it sucks. Thanks. Yes. An inaccurate invalidation is definitively counterproductive when you're being vulnerable. I think it happens quite often that people are more lenient than we think. Yesterday, I voiced out everything I thought was shameful about me and realized it wasn't at all this bad. Plenty of people wouldn't have blinked, yet I had the feeling to be hiding an old corpse in my closet. I am building an online coaching practice and I'd be open with offering you a bunch of pro bono sessions. I can't do much to help you out of this mess, but if you are interested I can try to create space for you and see what we could do to help you work on some of the challenges you're facing.

@SamC Your answer is to be found here ->

I hear you, but you've managed to make it happen with your business even to the point of abundance And actually, what makes you so popular is that you're selling to people authenticity and higher consciousness material. I'm adamant that you could reiterate the same thing with your sex life. Obviously, not by clubbing in Vegas, but by meeting women in circle mirroring your interests. There should be plenty of them around where you live, or nearby in California. At the end of the day, how attractive is really a woman for whom you've got to stoop to a lower level? Isn't this not compromising the piece you cherish most about yourself: truth and consciousness? And isn't it likely to cause a split in yourself, if you pursue ? Self-love would be probably commanding you not to do so. Self-love would tell you to get yourself a woman who authentically resonates with you AND that you find attractive. All the rest is actually coming out of scarcity.

Aren't we all? Well, this is where I don't get your way of thinking . You are literally stating one thing and it's opposite. If the women on the forum do not represent the general population of girls (assuming we are more "developed" or wired towards spiritual matters), why do you keep addressing us with the same generalization, assumptions, or with the same characteristics? You keep on framing women through a particular monolithic prism which isn't accurate and give us a hard time stating how it actually is for us. Both agenda can converge. It doesn't need to be a thug of war. There are easier ways. Just not through that framework.

I see what you see there. Being beta is associated with danger and a low quality life, as it means being at the bottom of the hierarchy. For this reason most men overcapitalize on masculinity and reject some parts of themselves because they are afraid it will make them less competitive, which begets an infernal vicious circle. I think men also wants acceptance and safety from one another as much as they want it from females. A lot of the masculinity need to overcompensate for their lack is found in their relationship with the masculine itself.

Why make this suddenly about me? I don't think I have been talking about my experience in a significantly different way than the other girls on this forum. If you are stating assumptions about female sexuality and then directly address mine, I think it's only fair that I give you my own experience as a woman. I am also not that special. If anything, I have just spent more time introspecting and learning about self-help than the average woman, which makes me also more attuned to what is truly attractive or not to female. I get the place you are coming from, and I think this aspect is great. I'm just concerned about a few particular points, as such as what I see as an excessive focus on survival, and a few misconceptions about female attraction, which ends up being actually disempowering to both genders. I see pros and cons in it, and I don't believe it is per se mutually exclusive with relationships. ... I've been attempting to give a reply to this, but I'm just gonna give up and not drag it further .

You should have registered yourself on the forum as Chad.

? That's it, @Nahm must be starting Game too!

Yo. Are we invisible to you?

It's not so much about your girlfriend than the wound you've got in your relationship with other men and the masculine hierarchy, then. You compare yourself to other men in relation to her. She's the proxy to that feeling and you project the resentment on that poor girl. Maybe try to do some shadow work in that area. How much of an emotional reaction do you have when hearing the word beta? What is behind it? These sounds like great questions for some private introspection.

The advice and the position he holds are not very distinctive. My suggestion to Leo was to tone down on necessarily framing things between men and woman as a survival game where love and consciousness is impossible because women are too unconscious. He's just attracting his own self-fulfilling prophecy. And by focusing on this mindset, he doesn't give women the opportunity for more consciousness and better quality affection, which is a pity. He doesn't believe its possible and we've got the skills for it. Which is a false belief.

There is for sure a sweetspot between discussing, cristalizing insights and losing your time debating. But I think you are right and I should stop all together as what I want to say has already been said. I'd just wish I had not several tags, because I feel bad not replying once someone replies me.

I'm talking about what comes after.

Survival can be pursued consciously or unconsciously depending on the person doing the pursuing and their levels of consciousness. <- That's exactly my point What's the rest about, then? And lol at your 4 @Gesundheit I highlighted it in bold in a previous post.

You're not portraying a developed individual showing high consciousness traits. For others elements on how I conceived things, you can maybe read my earlier entrances on this thread. There is nothing wrong with exploring sexuality. The things discussed here are a bit more contextualized than this simplification.

Hum yes, they do. They are link to my emotional system, and I don't get wet for low consciousness guys as they only trigger in me indifference or annoyance. I am as attracted to low conscious guys holistically as I am let's say intellectually drawn by Donald Trump. Most customers in the self-help business in general are attracted to low consciousness behavior, yet you're focusing on attracting a specific audience who can stomach your actual development. But you're using a smart combo of consciousness and survival, which works well for you. You could do the same with girls. Imagine if you had spent your whole career on actualized.org making clickbait self-help video on stage Orange subject, because "this is were most people are at". What's the difference?

@Leo Gura It sounds awfully like you're saying that women don't have the ability to be attracted to consciousness and will only fall for survival capital? If I can recognize the value of consciousness vs survival elsewhere, I can definitely do it as well with men.

It obviously can be both. One chose what it wants. The question is why would I go for the low consciousness thing when I can get the high consciousness option? Why aren't you interested in eating 1$ meals at Mcdonalds everyday? Chasing money out of people using the same set of techniques you use on girls? Or selling crack to children? The aim is conscious survival. You put this as a priorities this for all areas in your life except for relationship and the dating advices you give. What infuriates all the women in here is that in an area where love can be so well incarnated, you heavily promote selfishness and deny female REAL affection. What you come off like is : Love and consciousness for everyone BUT women. And you teach guys that survival is what matters most in the domain and do the same as you.

@yolosmoothie These are Chad words.

You are back. Is there any way you could elaborate on the key elements of the relationship between the relative domain and the Absolute? Everything is *NOTHING/SELF/GOD/I Am/Infinite LOVE* experiencing *NOTHING/SELF/GOD/I Am/Infinite LOVE* is another way of saying that consciousness is only ever experiencing itself. Right? But how can one navigate through the relative knowing there is no separation in actuality, while still knowing there are limitations or distinctions to be made for sustaining the body and manifest? How do you deal with this objective distinction in actuality? But I think this question goes back the question I asked just above?

@Nos7algiK Thanks! We both see the same things, I'm under the impression.

It's the whole authenticity vs attachment thing, but extended. That pattern doesn't stop at the end of childhood but gets reported on social groups who provides for your survival, as we are an interdependent specie. We all got conditioned and molded into something that doesn't fit our subjective truth. Reconnecting with who we are beneath the persona, and re-organizing our life accordingly can totally temper the level of falsehood we deal with.

Trying to attract girls through your persona is also how you'll get a high sample of incompatible ones. I agree that it's a waste of time. If you manage to reconnect with your authentic self + develop all the lines that make people attractive (for both objective qualities and subjectives qualities) you should be able to attract women who corresponds you best, without having to go through faking anything to get into her mind.

The points made by some of the guys are exactly spot on and show some common issues I see from Game. What gets girls interested is a man who gets as close as possible to his true nature and then project his authentic signature outwards. Under the unhealthy aspects of your ego, you've got the holly grail you seek: your authentic self and it's truth. The authentic self is what has been usually buried under layers and layers of ego and self-deception. This needs to be progressively rediscovered, and actualized by taking actions and then by letting it unfold progressively, throughout various relevant development lines. I think this is perhaps what @Electron was talking about. Game is a melting pot of several things. It looks for patterns, mindset, attitude, energy, physiological knowledge, psychological bias exploitation, logistics, tactics, etc, in order to get results. There are really tons of things being tapped on and put together. Typically, from what I see, Game cross many elements which are part of a healthy development line (or rather many) and maps it on your behalf. This is why it strikes as so correct and obviously a lot of guy gets significantly empowered and manage to pin point where they've been so far off until then... A lot of guys have a mix of big development line holes and a lack of experiences. It's therefore very useful to hear about concepts like kino escalation to get how to touch a girl, be reminded to go approach girls and get rid of common misconceptions. The main problem I notice, in guys who are getting into Game is that there is a lag between the pattern they try to emulate and themselves. Because so many of them come from a bereft place in the first place and haven't tapped deep enough in their authentic self, and focus on adding more stuff to themselves on an ego level. It's all just a facade. Their embodiment will be too superficial as not rooted in the real thing and similar as acting a role. And there is a form of duplicity occurring on the subjective level caused by an inner split between the two realities. If you want to have the real thing you'll got to work on many other life areas and get to the place where the split is unified... and that will not look like Game as talked by Leo. Another thing that I see is that there will be the case of some men who will take it way too far, and only swear by pick up techniques. All actions they will take with a girl will be monitored through this lens. And to me, there is something off there, like playing a video game with a cheat code. And there first of all this duplicity and that strong impression that if the girl would know what he's up too (and thus his real experience behind the actions, words etc) she'd feel betrayed. And that's something which means real intimacy (intellectual, emotional, etc) between the two individuals is actually made harder. And this is the real reason why guys never dare to talk about pick up with girls. If you want to be happy within a relationship, real intimacy is what you want, and that is also what the girl will want ultimately. Game is serious challenge to intimacy and vulnerability. I see a lot of guy chasing mirages and holding fake conceptions about male/female dynamics as true, and then try to embody that inauthentic crap.

@zazen The problem is that Game is used an umbrella word. So it's got everything in it: what I see as principles part of a healthy masculine attraction development line and pure garbage. I will never blame men for making themselves attractive and learning the "white magic" of Game. I wrote posts on the subject in the past. So strong, positive masculinity with social skills is OBVIOUSLY encouraged. But this shouldn't necessarily be named "Game", as "Game" has heavy connotation with PUA culture. Though, the behavior, technics and usage I see called as Game in here isn't always that. There is a lot of toxic shit going actually going against masculine improvement. It is this aspect of Game I abhorre and complain about.