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@Leo Gura thanks for the clarification Metaphor sounds good I see also that this is the ego really trying to figure it out to make sure it will be given what is promised but of course the reward will not be accepted by the ego... It will br accepted on behalf of the ego by the SELF And hmmm, again if the enlightenment/awakening is at stage 4.. i guess it yet again then fully depends on circumstances and conditioning of the One in regards to how deep they go and how much their understanding deepens. @Joseph Maynor thank you. Yes. I went back and searched "god awareness" and read many of your other posts Loved it Kinda visualized the god Awareness is a transparent smoke in a physical construct of reality.

@non_nothing so damn true!! But for me it was seen that this desire to talk about it and return to the forum was strong and here i am lol But yes, when that suddenly dawns upon you. Best is to remain in that for long

@Joseph Maynor also. I remembered you during watching his video. Finally grasped what you talk about often in your posts The God Awareness! It's like the entire Construct of the cosmos is the physical manifest of all that is which can ultimately be thought of as the infinite awareness/creation of God <3

@Strikr lol it's epic knowing that too is possible Let me know if it works. Down to tag team this with you

@Anton Rogachevski do you understand, intellectually, that there is no particular moment in which you "let go" of self control vs not "let go" of it? All of your doing since your "birth" has been out of "your" control. The "your" is referring to your ego self. The same ego self who has many times "chosen" what to order from a menu.

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@Preetom @Preetom wow@winterknight thank you That was great preetom The lost in the jungle analogy. Spot on. Bless you. Bless Spira too

@ULFBERHT what i can tell you emotional master and self-inquiry... both lead you to have an increase in your awareness... so you're "leveling up" all the same from what I know about the work... it's a spin on the self-inquiry... but yes, it does not directly investigate the nature of what the "I" is... same thing with self-inqury, won't know till you try it.

@ULFBERHT try it out. if it helps you see thru some conditioning which you were stuck in - then keep it going. if you don't feel it, let it go. won't know till you try.

@Tony 845 ummm Im sure there maybe quite a few. But i don't know of any myself... Also, it's important to note, that the Enlightened-ego may not himself know that they are in this trap. It is a trap afterall... There are also those who may fake it... That they are Enlightened... That's different.

It is a quality or conditioning of the mind/ego You do not choose it Whatever personality someone has, was meant to be that way. So yes, you're born with the personality (which is every changing still) you have... Or destined to have the personality you have.

@Tony 845 it's when the illusiory self becomes trapped and thinks it got enlightened... I suppose mostly by knowing and learning various concepts In other words, it's not true Enlightenment...

Its amazing how the understanding gets deeper and deeper in a way... Understanding that I am not the body-mind did not at first reveal to me that it also means that all which happens, just happens, on it's own. No free will that is (from the absolute perspective) The no free will recently aligned with the no body-mind realization for me. Now this also means that yet again, from the absolute perspective, all is pre-destined . Even the fact that i initially understood this one way and now understand it a deeper way... " I " did nothing to cause this. Thats just what happened... And it keeps going I also understand what the sages mean when they say I KNOW THAT I KNOW NOTHING Lastly, nobody can really truly be blamed for their ignorance because it is beyond their control/knowing Its all a natural unfolding Kinda like mars being the 4th planet from the sun... And someone being angry at mars for being as such.. its ridiculous At the same time. It is also essential to know that the person who is angry or blaming someone else for their actions... Well that person's doing is also out of their control So all just is And all is indeed ONE movement Even this writing here now And the knowing i have right now for me... Even this is as it should be The ego based traps that Leo talks about... One can't really do much to avoid them. It's fair to say "luck" is a factor... Such that a person was pre-destined to flow down a path of least resistance in their spiritual search. I always used to wonder why such great teachers had such a long seeking path.. like did they not get the obvious right from the start? Or like, if it wasnt there from the start, thrn why not after 5 years . Or 10 years?? Some had 30+ years of seeking and then its conclusion... Its all clear now Thats just what happened, thats the play unfolding as the script dictates it should.

I think this, for me, has been the most complete way to talk about what the investigation into our true nature is about. Any movie can be used to illustrate this, but I am using The Pursuit of Happyness. We have the actor, Will Smith, playing the character, Chris Gardner. NOW IMAGINE During the filming of the movie, everything is going great. No concerns or anything. Plot is progressing as planned and in the script/direction. Then, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Will Smith has a mental breakdown which causes him to forget that he is Will Smith and become his character Chris Gardner. This is no minor mental breakdown. It is full absolute mental transformation that he is Chris Gardner and has no idea who Will Smith is... no idea AT ALL. To keep it simple, let's assume the movie continues to be filmed (assume nobody notices that Will Smith has lost his shit) Now, as the actor Will Smith continues to film and portray the life of Chris Gardner in the movie's plot, he gets 100% emotionally attached to everything which is happening. If something fails in the movie, Will Smith feels as if it is his failure. If he can't find a place to sleep at night, Will Smith suffers from this. He has forgotten his real self (Will Smith) and become the ego (Chris Gardner). Now, let's bring in a question which is commonly seen in spiritual circles. What does Chris Gardner need to do, to realize that he is does not exist? Or when will Chris Gardner wake up to the fact and become enlightened? You see, if you have been following along thus far, you can see it is absolutely wrong to ask these questions. Chris Gardner can do nothing to escape - because he exists within the movie. It is WILL SMITH who needs to awaken. It is WILL SMITH who will become enlightened. It is WILL SMITH who all the pointers are talking to, not Chris Gardner. Just like that, your ego can do nothing to awaken, because it cannot. It is Your self which will awaken Just like Chris Gardner, the character, you the ego cannot grasp the fact that you do not exist because in your ego world with your ego story and life story, you very much do exist! Your life does not need to end or stop. Just live it from a place of deep awareness and knowing as your true higher self (will smith / awareness) With that being said, let's now imagine that Will Smith somehow magically returns and recognizes his mistake of mis-identifying with the body/mind/world of Chris Gardner. Of course, he may laugh a big joyful laughter about how silly he was to have thought he was the character Chris Gardner who is suffering in the plot of the movie. Before Enlightenment chop wood carry water. After enlightenment... Now continuing here, with Will Smith now back and "awakened" to his true nature as the character portraying the role of Chirs Gardner... nothing changes. He continues to film the rest of the movie. In that filming, where-ever there is suffering, Will Smith acts out and portray that, where-ever there is anger, Will Smith portrays that. All the while, knowing he is free from that. That is how enlightenment occurs. It is your true nature / REAL SELF which re-awakens to the fact that it was not the character (body+mind). The renaming plot of your life will play out as it needs to. There will be anger, sadness, guilt, happiness, pain, pleasure, everything... but you will be watching from the place of Will Smith knowing that he is portraying the character and is outside of the character/ego's world. You will have all those emotions but be okay with it, in your deep knowing if your true self - free from the world/reality of the ego. Notice also free will aspect. There is none. Just like in the movie - the script and acting and directing is pre-planned and that's how it will play out. So, once you awaken, what must happen, will happen as it should and will be seen to play out on it's own. Of course, this only talks about one aspect of it. The whole of it is much deeper. It's all one-thing. You are everything, literally. and that's kind of hard to illustrate using words as pointers. That's for another day (animation/graphics will assist to an extent, but again, not entirely)

@seeking_brilliance bless . Thank you <3

@Shin bravo Nice comprehensive post Great work Love the ending. That green-view ties it nicely ALL ONE

exactly. YOU can come to know it's make-up and realize it does not exist.

@GabeN in my current understanding from the point of view of the ego, yes. it can be said some people are lucky and some aren't. notice that is relative luck/destiny. from the point of view of the self, there is no luck/destiny it's all ONE MOVIE/PLAY/DREAM check out my new post. i think it will help illustrate a point nicely

When One awakens to the TRUTH it is realized that there was never any person seeking for the TRUTH in order to wake up. Then, as with the realization of any truth, many other things fall into place. This is the TRUTH, the cosmic TRUTH, so one can imagine the insights which dawn upon the realization. One key point to note if can be grasped while One is still on the seeking path is that since there is no person here, there is no person making choices. The free will is therefore only apparent free will. Therefore, be at peace EMOTIONALLY / MENTALLY during anything which arises because that is merely what's happening... happening to NO-Person. Sure, One may still have the full thought/feel of being a person and being at peace does not mean to stop your life where it is... or that when crossing a road, you see a bus approach and choose to stay where you are instead of jumping of of the way. it's rather being emotionally detached due to this understanding, the understanding which will be revealed at some point. and in this emotional detachment, one can work towards overcoming fear, anger and behavior or outburst they might be working on controlling.

@WindInTheLeaf notice how these words here are just words. why make this assumption that based on what @winterknight said, it meant that he was bothered? there are various ways to teach - each teacher has their own way. you have to know that the SELF accessing @winterknight is who is aware. not the human-being winterknight. and the self is beyond bother/words/enlightenment.

@bejapuskas hey. i am not a christian, so i am not sure about that too much i am sure if he was referring to a death, it would have been ego death, yes. keep in mind. when someone says ego death, it certainly does mean that. but the context has to be known because as we discussed above, the ego does not exist in the first place... so how can it die? you see? ego death = coming to the recognition of your true nature. (which will only happen when you no longer assume (a very solid assumption that is) you are the ego )

@bejapuskas nope. Not Enlightened. Had few glimpses here n there... It was prior to my seeking so i was pretty confused... In hind sight, they make sense, the glimpses etc ..

@SoonHei @bejapuskas It's correct. The ego does not exist and therefore cannot die. What however must happen is for you to not associate and attach yourself with the Ego. In doing that. The ego will dissolve / been seen from a distance from the real YOU

@bejapuskas can you see how this question will dissolve once you can understand that consciousness is not a product of the mind-body. When that's the case, the answer is simple

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