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@Dodo aren't the thought/experience one? i dont think i have it "flipped" there is no "flipped" if they are both the same thing... two sides of a coin, still a coin and sure, elepahtn out of thin air was an absurd example but there are cases about levitation, magic, mind movement etc all over in this reality with these "rules" that you talk about. there are no rules! all is possible within this particular realm too... just that the probablity is close to zero... which can be undone. anyhow, yes, the point was not to dwell in the oberthinking. so i'll end it here @Yousef reality is all. from the absolute sense there are no places where something works or doesn't work . the rules from the absolute sense do not even exist. but yes, for @Arkandeus i was just talking about him thinking about the two sides of LOA - both being beliefs in of themself the tanget to that with the whole manifestation as possible talk was my conversation with you, not @Arkandeus

@Dodo there exists, within absolute infinity, a phenomenal experience in which there is a thought which appears about making an elephant appear out of thin air followed by the appearance of that elephant out no seemingly nowhere all above are distinctions so it's modulation of these distinctions in that way - when you place labels on each of those distinctions, then you have an elephant appearing out of thin air preceded by a thought which wills it into seeming existence that's all which is being said. so yes, do tell me, would that bolded line above be a lie? i am also seriously asking, do tell me. thanks i don't think that it is incorrect to say that (again the chances in our universe are very possible 1 / infinte ) but it is possible - heck it IS the case somewhere right now

@Yousef there is no cause/effect in reality all just is... so the mechanism you seek is not there (there can be apparent mechanisms which seemingly exist but you and I know they are also appearances and not mechanisms) what i am telling you is what appears to happen and your beliefs (which are also appearing to you) define what you experience and how you will experience reality (also beyond your control) but even after all this, we can choose to make decisions and do things in life so, just like that, if this is what appears to happen, it will bring about that manifestation also - keep in mind, absolute infinity - all possibilities existing, not actualized for you in the moment but they are there. all of them. so yes, instead of the mechanism of how the object will/maybe moved by thought, it's rather understanding the mechanism of reality as a whole which will allow you to understand how that scenario may happen / manifest

@Yousef for someone untrained like you and I ... intense work and dedication on concentration of that thought works with growing belief and traction say you put a small object in-front of you and focus your entire will to move it and believe that you can do so now when you begin, you do not yet have the belief as a proof. it's more so a belief like you and I may have about the absolute/oneness as existing out there... i haven't had a glimpse or a deep enough glimpse to recognize what it was when i did have it... but as Leo and many others say, once you have the glimpse, you know that it is a REAL thing beyond just an idea/concept same thing here, it can be 100s of hours before you can move the small object (if you are able to that is) but ONCE you do move it, even by 1 Centimeter you have your proof right there which ignites the flame of belief and then from there on . you are able to do it more and more and with increased strength and ability to do it and at WILL but keep in mind, the concentration on doing this requires a lot of practice and dedication

Absolute IS LIFE Life is not a property of dead matter or any form of phenomena sought/sight/taste/touch etc. Absolute is beyond all opposites - such that it is the container of all relative opposites - which is everything! It is the blank canvas for reality - but unlike a blank canvas used for paintings which is usually white, the Absolute is infinitely more blank than that. it is so blank that it can contain all possibility and modulations which are in turn made of itself the absolute is like the blank checkered background you see in Adobe Photoshop software... but it cannot be imagined or conceived of... if it were conceivable then it could not be the Absolute it IS actually the ultimate and the (only) ONE conceiver of reality

@Yousef bingo! good one ^^^^ but fo real! sounds crazy but yes, you can manifest an elephant if you believed strongly enough in being able to do so

@Yousef here's a curve ball for ya you do realize that there is no restriction/limitation which would prevent this from happening? i mean sitting in a room and hoping for a million dollars to appear in-front of you magically is absolutely possible. all i am saying is that it is possible (not talking about the % of likelihood which maybe as good as zero but it is not zero) but for someone who has never had such an experience, for them to just get up and do it and expect it to happen won't work. as you said, requires time/attention/dedication and then if all aligns correctly, it will work it's like trying to do a random trick shot or something whacky in sports or any activity like shooting the ball while rebounding it off the wall or a couple of walls and it ends up going in chances are low but it will/can happen. there is nothing which can be said to be or not be a certain way all is possible the famous example of monkeys hitting random keyboard strokes and typing up the whole of Shakespeare - likely? not very... but possible? 100% !

@Arkandeus recognize that you saying law of attraction does not work is also a belief belief 1: LOA works belief 2: LOA does not work both are beliefs any how, i am sure you know that already also. for LOA. there are many things which need to be realized for example there is also the fact there there is nobody inside that body to believe and follow in the LOA or try to focus or want it it all just happens dont it? so understand it this way. that when/if one finds a deep wanting or desire for something (whethere they think they are wanting it or it is just happening) then it will happen for them but you cannot try to WILL it to happen for example, you cannot try to make a cup levitate infront of you... maybe overtime with 10000+ hours of dedication of it i have had LOA work for me in cases where i have had no answer but to look back and realize LOA was in action infact, if it is a LAW, it must always be in action just like gravity no matter if you get the math behind it, it works same thing here you are attracting that which you are vibrating against/with at this time and you have attracted the belief that LOA does not work

@Cepzeu thank you that point about letting go of trying to control or wanting it to go right can cause issues god bless

ego talking about ego

What's the ultimate message in a way? Think of an author when they are thinking up a world in their head... JK Rowling for example... Each character has a background, a story. The world, the Construct of it, the details of harrys home. Hogwarts everything It is thought up in her head The entire world of Harry Potter exists in her head JK Rowling - though tells the story from the POV of Harry mostly... Isn't Harry Potter herself She is everyone and everything ! The substance of the entire harry Potter world is jk Rowling's thoughts/brain To Jk Rowling, all are her creation and she loves every single one of her characters equally She loves Voldemort as much as Harry Bellatrix as much as Hermione She gave brith to each of these characters Now to get an idea of the direct picture of Reality Replace Harry Potter with yourself And jk Rowling with God Also, thats why no good/evil from god perspective It's all a Construct/story God loves the murdered and the murderer equally I am telling you THIS is what is being pointed to! Don't attempt to argue or justify or get this rationally because you cannot. You trying to get this would be like harry Potter trying to understand JK Rowling... Not possible you see So what is being implied that you are the thinker of this entire visual field around you including the POV from which you are seeing right now from your personal body/mind God has access to all infinite characters all at once - thats the difference between the example of jk Rowling vs God God is infinite awareness being able to have infinite POV simultaneously and be the whole thing Row row row your boat, gently down the stream... Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily Life is but a dream

the construct of Reality is that a single infinite consciousness both in power/intelligence is thinking this reality into being each passing "moment" it's like when an author of a novel thinks up and conjures up an entire world with various characters - each with their own background, trait, life the hero and the villains - the author loves them all, without bound that's God's view of our world/reality the rapist is loved equally as a saint/child it's all a live-action play, playing out in God's infinite MIND but God himself is all the characters - or rather, the characters are made out of God's awareness. God cannot be pointed to as one thing, the entire construct is God's infinite thought and God is just a word used to call that one single being in existence but God seems appropriate with the common meaning associated with this word but BOY is it mis-understood

@VictorB02 wow thanks for sharing. That was amazing and deeply profound. Alan watts >

I thought it was a boy too A young boy sounds like a slightly older female older than that age of boy First time i heard LORDE i thought it was another young boy like justin Bieber until i saw the song on YouTube and it was a girl singing

Hey @Preetom No worries. I'll be your follower Do express it!! Also please answer The VOID = realization of true self? Glimpse?

@Preetom @Big Guru Balls @who chit Is having the experience of THE VOID is what's known as a glimpse of the Ox / ego death?

@Preetom @Harikrishnan yup @Shadowraix.@Preetom

@Harikrishnan yup Letting go of the beliefs wasn't that easy but then again, it's still kinda part of my life. And that's ok Non-duality allows me to understand the basics and foundation of religion and understanding brings about a deep Knowing about its mechanics which feels good for the mind @Shadowraix thnx. Recently found Tom das also, i like his teachings.@Preetom rupert is ma man... Except i can't hold the being aware feeling of the I for more than a second 8( WorkInProgress

@Harikrishnan sure all of that might be known but it wasn't known by Muhammad who was illiterate anyhow. i get what you're saying... my main thing was about prayer working or not the rest just got typed somehow in the post lol #NoFreeWill

when asking the question who am I? or who ultimately is hearing these thoughts or sounds? the answer to these is also heard/seen and then a question about those answers is heard/seen and the answer to these questions is heard/seen and so on... no fruit in this process rather stop and drop all questions/answers and just BE but that "ok, now i will just sit still and just BE" is also heard/seen how do i end this trap? or just BE and not be "doing it" and just aware of it from the place where all is heard/seen maybe asking the "how to" on this is not a good idea because by asking how, i am expecting an answer which will itself be seen/heard is it fair to say that just to sit still with this understanding until it finally just CLICKS on it's own?

@Inliytened1 epic also. i am noticing how the ego feels that it will have this great moment of realization and all and in this expectation in the future - it asks more questions like i am about to do here but the dropping on the knees to say OMFG OMFG... that is the ENTIRE REALITY/CONSIOUNESS Expressing the realization thru the body/mind in that moment - correct?

@Inliytened1 have you had direct experience or glimpses?

@Tistepiste keep this in mind this "ego" becomes a thing once you come to know it just like "gravity" is now a thing vs 2000 years ago... gravity was still there but without its label what if someone does not know the concept of an ego... does that person still need to get rid of it? as a checklist on the way to enlightenment? getting rid of all concepts is what's required... ego is ONE of the concepts and getting rid of all concepts is what's required <- is also a concept <- is also a concept <- is also a concept .... ALL JUST IS

WHAT I AM IS ALWAYS HERE AND NOW IS ALWAYS WATCHING WOAH THIS WAS A NICE ONE TO FINALLY GRASP DEEPLY I FIND THAT AFTER HAVING THESE INSIGHTS MYSELF AND FINALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT WAS BEING SAID I AM ABLE TO ARTICULATE IT BETTER FOR MYSELF CONCEPTUALLY TO UNDERSTAND IT when it is said truth / happiness will be found NOW... not at a later time in the "future" (because the "future" occurs in the NOW also) now that can be equated to watching the TV and then saying I will realize in the future or after a couple of hours that the TV screen is on... THE TV SCREEN IS/WAS ALWAYS ON! It's not like that it wasn't ON when the movie/show you are watching began and then out of no-where in the middle or end of the movie the TV SCREEN turns on. THE TV SCREEN JUST ALWAYS IS - ETERNALLY!

wow that was a nice ride there . thanks