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@winterknight are you, as an enlightened / awake consiousness aware of the various facets of Reality? Like infinite intelligence Infinite love Infinite dimensions Infinite facets of Reality? Are all fully enlightened consiousnesses aware of the same facets of Reality? Or it can vary depending on their body/mind's experiences and understanding along their respective path?

@Nahm @Leo Gura @Serotoninluv So an enlightenment experience first and foremost reveals our true nature. And that's it? When does one become aware of its various (infinite) facets? Like leo said, infinite screen or infinite love or infinite intelligence? Does a fully enlightened person (Rupert Spira, sadhguru, Eckhart) have full knowledge of all facets of Reality? Like i have seen a few of leo's enlightenment experience videos and in each of them he talks about a different facet... Are those facets of Reality still content in the dream but it is also TRUE because it's an insight? So essentially, two enlightened beings may not have the same understanding or depth of Reality? The only one common thing would be that they are aware of the TRUTH but their understanding would be varied?

@Nahm <3 @non_nothing bro, ask away!!! WHO IS actually on every base!!!

Had a nice bit of seeing just now! Who is asking the question!!!! WHO!!!!!! I am WHO! Like that baseball game joke about the basemen's name on which player is on which base? Also Thoughts are one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With the damn world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hear in the same space as other sounds in the "real world" the inner outer is one! Nice to notice and contemplate how one talks to themselves!!! Also repeating: "i am not my thoughts including this thought" and watching Epic hahhaa wow Bless

thank you. this is great!

@Hello from Russia yes if you take a back seat and find that your thoughts/visualization is very strongly reflecting your feeling/emtions about that. then you will find what ends up happening is the manifestation of that the only issue however is this, there is no "you" doing any of the visualzation/thinking.. so really, when it happens, it happens.. you can think/visualize it "yourself" as well... but needs to be authentic (aka just happening and strongly so - on it's own )

@brugluiz in asking of that question, it shows you do not know what meditation is meditation does not equal sitting down cross legged or any other way and "doing" something meditation simply means to take a back seat to what's happening when one is enlightened, "she/he" are in a meditative state 24/7

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I, as a Muslim who has stumbled upon this non-dual realization of reality find myself asking the following question. Does Prayer work? I mean sure, all is a dream and different story and content within those infinite dreams... but the direct revelation to the prophet and many others from God with his infinite wisdom where God says to ask him for anything no matter if it's the tip of your shoelace which goes missing... So while knowing that what I am is outside of this world/dream and merely watching this all - can my character/ego in the dream pray to God and believe that it will be fulfilled? prayer answered? also, i feel within the dream itself... someone who is fully enlightened speaks from the NOW and the present with the knowledge limited to their experience in that life... eg. a computer scientist who becomes enlightened will not magically know things about space or medicine upon enlightenment... sure they will understand the human mind as that's a common factor for all enlightened beings now someone within the dream who gets direct revelations from God is much more profound and deep... for example Prophet Muhammad was told about how exactly a baby is formed in the womb... and about facts of the world unknown at the time... We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... https://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm He has set free the two seas meeting together. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress. and this was discovered as a body of two seas that do not meet. so revelation is truly the direct word of God within the dream of reality and is the most powerful sure all of what i am saying is technically the happening and the word of God and also the words of an enlightened being but revelation trumps all

so elegant <3 thanks

@Bauer1977 are you now speaking from and abiding as the absolute most of/all the time? \ and what ultimately led you to this understanding .. ?

This is a groundless basic assumption. @Anton Rogachevski really? you're saying that because you are not getting what he is talking about... try this, clap your hands. the sound you hear is heard without thought, is it not? sure there maybe a thought right after that fact that this is a sound of my hands clapping... so if you wanna get that, then take a random abstract sound which you cannot label... you will hear it and it will be without a thought you may have a thought what is that sound? what does it belong to? but notice how you become aware of the sound itself without any thought. the thought follows your awareness of the sound.

Wow. @Serotoninluv Thanks. I think i recall rupert spira about making a distinction between simply awareness vs 'awareness of' You illustrated that nicely there

of course. yes. those are indeeed thoughts. and that question you asked is also a thought. i really liked how @Serotoninluv put it above also, saw this comment below on youtube under Leo's video. It's a nice sum up. You - as the true nature of 'you'/self - are the 'awareness' behind all thoughts. You are the awareness that hear the birds sing and see the green leaves of a tree. This 'awareness', that you truly are, is not an object, not a thought, not a thing, not a concept, not an emotion, not a feeling, not an experience, not a form of energy, not a program... it is absolutely nothing. You can call it nothingness, you can call it whatever you want. It is zero, 0, nothing, however, at the same time, you, as this awareness, is actually the only "thing" that truly exist; it's eternal, universal, you are in other words the fabric and structure of existence it self, or to put it in yet another words: you are the whole Universe. Everytime you have a thought, you have the option to just be completely aware of the thought and do NOTHING about it; you're only noticing it. The other option (the opposite option) is to align your self with the thought, that is to not become aware of it, but instead to dive into it and let it affect you and give meaning to you (in other words: more thinking). The act of thinking "oh I must stop thinking this" is not being completely aware of the thought, but rather the oppsite: diving into the thought and giving it meaning. To be completely aware of thoughts takes practice. Most people, including me to a large degree, are very, very unaware and so, so caught up in the game of playing the person they think they are. Meditating is about being completely aware of thoughts and doing nothing about them, but instead just being completely aware of them. At some point you get so good at being aware of the thoughts and not diving into them, that the mind stops 'creating' thoughts (because it's tired of you not caring about them), and you will eventually instead align with the true nature of yourself, that is: nothingness, and you will at that point experience complete ego death, which will knock your socks off, as Leo says.

@Arhattobe yes. the ego of the person may hate themselves sure. the ego may or may not love itself. loving yourself fully also applies accepting yourself fully - btw that's also something we all need to do. love and accept ourselves fully - our self is also part of WHAT-IS i am talking from the absolute POV the killer, his emotions thoughts about himself and others - all that is infinite love / consciousness talking about the essential make up, all that being infinite love.

@Arhattobe i think leo answered this and it's very elegant serial killer is absolutely infinite love it is infinte love, however, of himself. so much so nothing is forsaken to have that desire met to kill. yes, quite twisted but the TRUTH is the same for all an author of a novel loves each of his characters all the same the good guy and the bad guy are both heros in the author's eyes it's all just a story from the author/absolute's point of view the good guy is only a good guy in contrast to the bad guy

yes. love is the absolute and complete acceptance of what is a mother accepting her child's behavior when he breaks things around the house (young child ) full acceptance of what is - yes, this is the case and infinte love / consiouness is all there is one feels that infinte love when one transends the false association with the self and becomes nothing=everything - consiouness as a whole ONE. so yes, love is what consiouness is... love is what we are.

@Wisebaxter anytime and the next point would be to realize that YOU were never doing anything to begin with... let alone doing something wrong #OneStepAtATime

@Wisebaxter you're welcome also i like @Jack River 's pointers. read them a few times till something clicks again lol took a while but yeah, what jack is talking about is the mechanism of how it all functions and comes together. seeing that thru is the ending of it. #StillWorkingOnItMyself about your question above... each one of us is always in an enlightened state... (always outside of the Virtual Reality world while wearing the VR headset) you are not sometimes outside of the world and sometimes in it also keep in mind, from the absolute perspective, there is no outside/inside of the world. it's ONE. but just using metaphors here also yes. ending of thoughts all together and having a quite mind is the key so when you have those periods without thoughts, try and be watchful during those the true seeing/realization is thoughtless. it is a deep understanding which will be "felt" so to speak... once again, the deep seeing / recognition will not be a thought sure you can have thoughts about the realization when you first have it (likely OMGOMGOMGOMG WTFF so on.. ) but the initial direct experience or seeing/relaization is beyond thought

@Wisebaxter i am sure rupert talks about becoming aware of your true nature The intergration of that recognition can take time but it variers. There is no set amount Ultimately, when the I thought has completely / 99% vanished, one can be said to be enlightened The ego needs to vanish / die / be seen for what it is - a thought, but a persistent one Becoming aware of your true nature gives it that shake up to kill it.. and it isnt a one shot thing... Multiple awakenings and work is required to fully get there Once it is had. Then it is realized that it was always the case... Just a case of mistaken identity... Like for example, lets say an actor actually forgetting that he is just an actor filming a movie and then suffering from the happening / plot of the movie Find out about your true nature is the goal of spirituality. And then once you find out, it's also recognizing you were always watching the TV from the couch... You were never inside of thr world you thought you were in... Or better metaphor given today's technology... It's the recognition that you were wearing a VR headset all along and has mistaken yourself to be the character appearing in the VR film

@Dodo you know what i mean

You got it! It is certainly a thought which includes in it your me-ness... Because,Your "me-ness" is afterall a thought. The you that you think you are and identify with right now is just a thought! Let that sink in... One thing which was kinda a shake up for me was the repeating of this line in my head "I am not my thoughts, including this current thought" Something about this clicked and i saw the space and separation between me and the thoughts You see, what we are deep down below does not do the talking, it merely watches this play moment to moment In this play also exist a human experience and then also of the humans discovering their true absolute nature The realizations are communicated with and talked about with language to others and thoughts within, but all are not you... Just seen/witnessed by you.

@Dodo because there cannot be any limits to what is possible or not you make your own reality - (not implying this is what i am choosing to believe in) there is nothing which can prevent this from happening again, if you talk about rules in this reality then explain any mystical experience to a person of science ... they will let you be thinking you've lost ye marbles

@Dodo lol i included myself in the set of the people who are far away from this possibility this would require a lot of time and dedication and focus to accomplish again, crazy examples like million bucks or elephant to spawn aside but trying to move a small object with mind - very doable... can i do it? nope is it possible ? with enough work and effort, yes how much is enough? cannot be said same as enlightenment, it's the love for truth and how badly you want it which also drives the movement towards the realization - sure it can happen spontaneously to someone who knows nothing about the path (kinda like the first "glimpse" ) I had...

@Wisebaxter recognize that YOU just exist as the AWARE PRESENCE - not the body/mind sitting there in meditation watching his/her thoughts. you are aware that there are no thoughts as you have a thought about watching them you are aware that thoughts are being thought and then realize you had a thought all of this is seen you are doing the watching of not just thoughts, but you are watching everything all the time that is what you must become aware of, directly so.