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@Waves sure thing. Actually, I already got one accountability partner telling me that, so I changed it to how much I approach a day, and to months.

@LordFall cool man, I just spotted you on IG.

@Wilhelm44 Well, personality tests are very good with telling us the strengths we have not found in ourselves and the weaknesses we have not found in our selves. Enneagram really focuses on improvement, (i think?) I'm enneagram 3. Although taking the test, they say I'm mostly 98% type 3, and 97% type 8, I know for sure I'm 3, because it is a type that I hate to admit about myself. I have people pleaser tendencies not through my personality but through a product or service I'm doing. The weaknesses of 8, I'm not as ashamed of the weaknesses of type 3. haha. I love attention and showing a good image of myself... haha

it would be cool if Leo would comment not only on spiral dynamics, but on enneagrams

@JonasVE12 thank you for such kind words. Value giving. Whatever it is, as you say, I will focus on that much more. Whether it is money, status, emotional support, love, I will give more value to people. Maybe, I've been weak in that department, so I find myself lacking here. I'm currently working on the whole idea of giving value. Thanks

☆i dont mean to blurt out my emotions over you. I just want to state a fact about my emotions. i do need assistance in this matter☆ After a rough day out approaching women, I need an emotional tampon. After night game, i set to get my day game in order. I got an accountability buddy to help me do 3 approaches a day on women on the street and cafes in the day (Say what you will guys, but 3 approaches in corona in this country aint easy for me) so doubly thanks to him. But I dont want to blurt out my emotions on him. Him being an accountability buddy is enough. I remember when OSHO talked about his journey to enlightenment. He said he never had a master. OSHOs disciple told him in a seminar that she wants to be enlightened without a master like OSHO. Then he told her how lonely he was that he never had a master to hold his hand by his side to say, "its all going to be okay," during his journey to meditation. OSHO said he wanted to give up everyday, and cried and felt so lonely during the journey. He even went far as to say because his family thought he went crazy, so he himself was afraid he became crazy. This is how i feel, without a mentor or a brother to stand by my side in difficulties mastering any subject of interest. I feel like this right now. Actually i feel like this with my life purpose and career, too.... I used to have a big brother who would be with me always, but we became distant. Whenever i struggled with anything, studying, friendship, family, my brother would be with me, but now i dont.... I sound pathetic, but its my reality. Im emotionally depleted and i need a strategy from anyone who knows what to do with such difficulties By the way, Im also having insecurities about how my energy is, and also how i project it. We all have a blockage of energy in us, ... lm just more pathetically aware of its patheticness thats all

@aurum thats cool. Ive done that too. maybe i can do that a little more since its not just me but also you whove felt emotional support with it. Owen cook is motivational AF You are right. I did not join any forums in this city. Dumb me ?

@flowboy no. I am currently doing what i love. But im still emotionally depleted

@flowboy But to be true, I'm truly ... very much.... emotionally depleted right now

@flowboy I see. That's true. Currently, me and many of my friends separated. Such is life. I guess the next set of friends will be coming soon, since it's been a while I've been engaged with anything friendly.

beautiful question @marinaaniram Have you ever felt your true self? If you have, you would not say this, because you would realize who really is selfless, truly, as you crave for so much. This doesn't mean you should force yourself to be aware of the true self. This will only be counter effective. Everyone is in such emotional survival mode. (i mean 99% of the population) It's perfectly okay to be there. But anyone who was blessed to become enlightened, (or see God as many would like to put it, but not me) see the consciousness that is universal, see their true self (all the same thing in different terms) that are beneath 0.1% of the population will have understood the selflessness that you have craved for. One thing I would humbly suggest is read the introduction of Power vs Force by David R Hawkins. He said the way he got enlightened was his insatiable craving for selflessness, insatiable craving to know his true self, an insatiable desire to cast off anything that is false within. I, too, like to recommend this suggestion of David R Hawkins to anyone struggling with this like you. Good luck and I hope you find your selflessness

? okay, i understand Leo, Thanks for the insight

@Leo Gura what about when some dating coaches advise us on purpose to ignore some of what the girl is saying to look blase and cool. Wouldnt the girl do the same thing (or even more since shes a woman) just as much as men do in ignoring the guy or trying to show disinterest

@Federico del pueblo you know when some dating experts tell us to ignore some of what the other person is saying on purpose. Im guessing this must be more prevalent with women than in men.

I highly recommend going to bars where you will never come back. And do some crazy shit. I've been called on by cops for trying to pick up this women and being too persistent. There is no shame. Nobody will remember you. Use bars and clubs to train yourself outside your realm. Also, while doing that, work on yourself, what do you wanna do in life. Read fuck ton of books. And work like a mule and fuck the beautiful intelligent women you dream of. That's your goal now, and keep going sir.

@Leo Gura pressuring myself to do get phone numbers and instant dates in the day. Wow, .... for me, it's 100 times harder than the club

I got a 3 wing 2 yesterday, and it was my first time ever touching on the subjet of enneagram But the scores say I got 98% of type 3, and 97% of type 8. Do I completely disregard type 8, and focus on 3 wing 2s? I do see myself primarily 3, but still, I know a big part of me is 8. I don't understand why enneagram wouldn't mention the 2nd most percentages, but just go for the wing of the primary type. Also, upon watching Eben Pagan's master map of success, Wyatt Woodsmall was saying MBTIs are a bit dangerous in the fact that many people feel pride for their personality types and do not try to change while enneagrams are a bit better in that it challenges people to improve. How can we use enneagrams? What is the best way to use enneagrams to self develop? A very serious question for me and thanks for the help

@cypres As you can see eight is 97%, one is 94%, six is only 84%, three is 98% . 381 So does the enneagram show the limitations of these types that I'm most assigned to, and it's good for me to study 3, 8, 1 types? or am I solely supposed to focus on 3 wing 2? I did not recognize this until now, seeing you mentioned I have one. I always knew I and 3 and 8, but not one. One is a huge shadow for me. @vizualmaybe, the reason I hated sensory types so much is because type one enneagram is my shadow. Afterall, in my childhood, I was very traditional but as i grew older, I came to despise it.

@vizual I'll have to be honest. I've been one of them. I've had horrible experiences with sensory types. Just horrible.

@Knowledge Hoarder So barbarian tribes won them over. That's what I'm talking about. Sorry, for not being too factual. I just want to get my point out that Rome was destroyed by some barbarian tribe.

Examples and Observations (need not read this part): Gandhi seems to have been successful with this tactic. Many Chinese dynasties were destroyed by the weaker country (usually from Mongolia or the Manchurian tribes). Rome was defeated by the weaker country. The Roman emperor was threatened by Jesus Christ, so he opted to kill him. We could say Jesus had such power and influence with no money, no perceived "status" ... etc. Socrates had himself killed because he had power and influence over the young generation. If Socrates and Jesus had no power, why would any "powerful" politicians would have tried to kill them? Hercules was an orphan. No, he was not the son of Zeus. Yet, just with his incredible ability for war and martial arts, he was able to convince others that he was a "hero" or in modern terms, a "Mafia for Greece". Another example, in the 1600s, Japan was planning to invade China and take over whole of Asia. Korea was such a small country to them they did not care to concern over it. Even though Korea probably had 3/10th of the forces Japan had in the military sect, we succeeded mainly for one, we had a bad ass general, and second (which is the most underappreciated of all) the weather was not optimal for Japan to succeed against our newly designed boats. Japan planned for a siege plan using their new technically designed boat just to get an edge over Korea's strong military boats, but the bad weather conditions made Japan not use the boat, so Korea won countless times. Mongolia tried to invade Japan's island called Tsushima. Of course, Mongolia should have won. They were far superior forces than Japan. But what led them to defeat? Weather conditions! Two hurricanes and flood led the mongolians defeated. It was difficult to say Japan succeeded or Mongolia failed. It was more correct to say, the Heavens succeeded. So, my premise is, where do we lie influence and power? Even in military games, just because one country had more talent, more money, more intelligence, more intel, more this and that, did not make them victorious over other countries. Really. Look at all the bigger countries in history, and see how they were destroyed. It was always the least, or the second weakest country that held winner over them. Remember, who took over Rome? Byzantine Empire. They were one of the weakest countries around Rome, but they held the status in the end. This idea of power really confuses me. It's hard to just frame it so easily as if money = power. It's equal to saying, "the amount of land = power of nations". Totally untrue.

@PurpleTree That video from Scarface was on my mind the whole time writing this post.

That's a great metaphor @JosephKnecht . I've been thinking the exact thing. Somehow, I feel as if the amount of land a king possesses, the money a business man makes, the things the thieves steal is a way for all of them to express their sense of power. That does not necessarily mean they do have power and influence. It's a form of expression from them, that's all that it is. But, there must be some sort of true power that society tend to shun and dismiss, in which even I don't understand and cannot comprehend.

@itachi uchiha That I agree. I don't see much in Korea taking Orange to extremes for sure

I think he wants to do what Eben Pagan does. But a little bit differently with Owen's taste of things? More about social interactions, public speaking, persuasion/leadership, energy work (spiritual work). Eben Pagan doesn't talk much about communication, public speaking, and especially not "energy" work. hahhaha