Thetruthseeker

Well it’s nice in the group… but what I’m saying is, that retreats are so expensive because of this exact dilemma you’re facing now. because you’re worried about getting caught and it’s ‘illegal’ where you are… retreats are cashing in on the convenience of a place where you can do it all safely. look online, a 5 meo-dmt retreat will cost you thousands of dollars… but the stuff itself is not expensive so if Leo and others are saying they’ve done hundreds of psychedelic trips, then they have to be ordering online somehow

And on this note… I do think a lot of people are profiting and cashing in when these things are more legal in certain areas. I’ve seen psychedelic retreats for thousands of pounds. One online I saw was £5k for a 4 night retreat. I mean trying to do psychedelics often at this price is never going to happen. Ayauasca retreats can be 1k at least for costs, but the actual ayahuasca you can buy for £30, it’s not expensive at all so people have to be buying online, because if you had to go to another country always for a retreat, there’s no way you’re going to afford 100 trips and regularly doing psychedelics

Ps great video @Thought Art on YouTube!

I don’t do an all or nothing approach with these things. I see people smoking weed everyday, and I do see the negative side effects from this on them a bit (brain fog and paranoia etc) but every once in a while it is fun. I’ll maybe smoke once every 3 months and then have some funny chats with close friends, can be hilarious or deep, but always a cool thing. I remember some great times in a recording studio making music with friends smoking weed, it was a cool time i think weed can be a nice experience when used every once in a while

I just want to say I find it so great to see the fun, free, party side of Leo. Considering Leo’ video topics can be so heavy at times, it was just great to see him in that different light I sometimes am quite serious in life, and it’s just a great reminder of the balance of hard spiritual work and just going out and having fun and not taking life too seriously all the time. I’ve sometimes got into the all or nothing trap of thinking that if I go down a slightly spiritual path, can I still go out, party, have some materialism in life. Certainly going on some meditation retreats the people are so stage green that they wouldn’t go out to a nightclub, and would probably even demonise me if I had a nice car. But I think you can do both and thats healthy so thank you for sharing that Leo. And I love both Steve Aoki and Zedd, @Leo Gura who put on a better show? I find Zedd more ‘euphoric’ but I like them both

Well I know you’re joking around but actually for me there were so many insights I learnt more from seeing that completely different side to Leo than another serious heavy topic

So I’m reflecting on the last 5 years of doing personal development work and I actually think I was happier before it all so much personal development feels like deconstructing reality and sometimes it feels so hard hitting that I wonder what it’s all for. I may know some more universal truths - but what’s the point of I’m not happier. learning things like … successful people are not happy Reproduction is an illusion I’ll be unhappy after having sex with my dream girl or buying a fancy car because of hedonic adaptation im constructing the meaning I give to things and telling myself stories … all these above things may be true but i honestly think I was happier when I was more in my ignorant worldview bubble. Of course, once you learn all this stuff it’s incredibly difficult to go back to your previous state and way of seeing the world I’m not blaming Leo, I knew the consequences… I’m obviously just struggling on the journey a bit but the honest truth is I think I was happier in more ignorance rather than learning the worlds universal truths

@flowboy great points and I appreciate your input. I feel I have constructed a good career etc, I’ve actually gone through a lot of orange with women, some social status and career achievement etc, but it feels less meaningful when I know it ultimately won’t make me happy (or I can construct a meaningful story but then I’m just telling myself a story) I think I’m in that ‘dip’ of nihilism where I’m doubting motivation even though I’ve achieved some things in life l do also think I should continue to balance construction with deconstruction so thank you for that insight

@Preety_India it’s not that I necessarily want a flash car it’s just the constant deconstructing of beliefs, reality and the ego is very hard hitting at times. and sometimes I wonder if was happier living life a bit more unconsciously and in ignorance. sometimes it feels like the more conscious one gets, the more difficult it can get. I’m probably just having a slight ego backlash or in the stage struggling with nihilism. but certainly it feels like a very deep, heavy and emotionally difficult road to go down to be constantly deconstructing my life

His centre is orange for sure but I’ve seen him live in london and next to the other speakers you could tell he was a bit more evolved - some marketing tips were focused on empathy/kindness. He’s orange, but he’s got a good heart I think 80% orange, 20% Green/yellow

Where do people think Tyler currently is on the spiral?

I’ve watched Leo’s videos on ‘successful people are not happy’ (which is possibly one of my favourite videos that changed my life) - and he describes that never ending wheel of achievement and cycle as hedonic adaptation im learning more about the effects of dopamine and wondering if this is directly linked to hedonic adaptation or is it something slightly different?

@Carl-Richard thanks for such a brilliant and insightful reply

@Raze thank you for these videos! They helped!

So let me start by saying that at 27 I had a life saving operation and a near death experience. Ever since I’ve followed Leo and had such a profound notion of just how precious life is. It becomes so precious that sometimes I get down and depressed of how precious it is and that it will all end sometimes I appreciate life so much that I end up working so hard, knowing this is my one chance to fulfil my potential. And if I don’t, I become really hard on myself I guess my question is, how do I stop being so afraid about life ending as I realise how precious and beautiful this life is. I don’t want it to one day end. It’s like the dark cloud of reminder that everything will pass and end. It’s from a place of appreciating the beauty of living that always makes me push myself sometimes too hard to live my best life. The scarcity in the beauty of this one life is something that is beautiful but also scary at the same time

@BipolarGrowth did you do these on a specific planned retreat or on your own?

@vizual great points. It would take immense courage to evolve from stage orange if a lot of life (your business, relationships) we’re all set up you would have to be prepared to let a lot go to truly evolve. Is it worth it? Would you lose and risk everything that evolve? jyst saying this as I have recently noticed the costs of doing personal development work. In the end, will evolving make one happier?

@TripleFly Yeah… it’s just he’s been taking more spirituality lately and eckart tolle so I didn’t know if he was more evolved these days …. OR He’s just a marketer who knows what sells (spirituality) but really he’s still orange all the way

Who’s the shady business partner? Julian?

@Leo Gura any thoughts on where’s he’s at right now in his development?

@Huz yeah I feel you’re UK pain. Actually nearly every other country in Europe it can be delivered too. But after looking for hours no one ships to the UK. They must be doing this for a reason probably as there’s been issues with checks. there’s some 5meo DMT retreats in Mexico and Spain. But as for DALT, literally no idea on how to get it.

I’m in the UK - and all the research Chems websites I've looked at don't ship to the UK. They ship to every bloody country apart from the UK. All of them. Bit disappointed Am I going to have to fly out to Netherlands just to ship it back to myself? Ha

I’m in ‘limbo’ at the moment and find myself doing a lot of thinking about where I’m currently at in life and where I want to be in the next chapter of life. It’s that very reflective time on being on my own, journaling and feeling melancholy however I’m just wondering where the difference and distinction is between contemplation and just ‘overthinking’ … I feel like I’m contemplating, but also I’ve got constant thoughts and a narrative running through my head all day. just wondering any thoughts or guidance on this to know I’m on a good track of contemplation rather than just endless overthinking thanks ??

Do you think one could put the model and some teachings within an online course I create as a coach? Or still risky? I would love to include talking about spiral dynamics within my coaching… I wonder how much it would be, to be able to coach the model and include it on in coaching and online courses

Makes sense. Thanks for the clarifying Leo