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@Leo Gura Thanks a lot for the response. Got it. But I am still looking forward to meeting you and other people like you were planning at the end of the last year. Gosh, thanks for all your hard work. Love you to pieces. ( in a good meaning of this word)

@Leo Gura Thank you for the nice responses. Leo, when are you going to invite us to your seminar? Are we going to meet you this year? Have you decided to postpone with seminars? I am so depressed lately, I do not see any reason to keep going. The more I think about the possibility of being infinite, the more depressed I become. I wish from all my heart I meet you and other people who follow this pursuit. Sometimes, it is unbearable and feels so lonely. Would be nice to attain your convention for some "fresh air" and positive energy and offset. I understand that my mental state is temporary, but I wish I can get out of it as soon as I can. What book would you recommend to read or what practices should I do? I want to be happy again. I used to be happy when did something meaningful or hobby, now nothing excites me anymore, even traveling. Thank you so much, Lots of hugs.

@Mikael89 LOL, you made my day by that post. LMAO

@ivankiss Wow, I loved to read your thoughts. Very eye-opening. Thank you.

@MsNobody Hello, what can you tell about Aries?

@ShugendoRa I am ENFP, but my problem is that I can be super focused if I need to that don’t pay attention to the world around me.

@Anton Rogachevski Glad to be a part of the discussion

@Nahm Yep! I agree.

@now is forever sorry, I guess I am talking about different meaning, I refer to the one that we assign when talking about existence.

Nope, they are not separate, because meaning is a part of infinity even if there are infinite numbers of meaning/s.

@Anton Rogachevski Anton, here is a little disclaimer: I still treat the work we are doing here as a philosophy. By no means, I want to mislead people. Yes, I read, learn and know some things, but I probably am not in the position to make any claims. I will share with you my personal thoughts, however, do not treat it as some serious insight, since I am still far away than those who practice on a regular basis. To me, meaning should have another reason that would stand behind it, and that reason should have some other reason, etc. It is super hard to use linguistic terms to explain Infinity. Should we not treat meaning as a part of it? Can we assign certain meaning in any outcome, or there are infinite numbers of them, depending on the perspective you are looking at? Please forgive me, I am not an expert or ever reached that condition to judge from that level. I wonder about it myself. So far, I guess if we assign meaning, it will neglect all the Experience. Meaning is limited, very limited. Infinity is unbounded. Should we leave this door open and drop all the notions? So, I see meaning as a part of Infinity, but not the separate conception, otherwise, meaning itself will overweight Infinity, but that is impossible by default? Right? We can not put meaning above the Infinity. Infinity holds meaning, but not otherwise. I hope my thought is clear and plausible. Again, this is my personal opinion and I might be wrong. Thank you for reading.

@now is forever I agree.

@Anton Rogachevski Anton, I am glad you liked my comment. Certainly, I won't take credit for the wisdom, because it is not mine. I am sure you understand. This post was an accident because it meant to be for another thread, lol. I do like Watts, but he wouldn't be my favorite teacher though. Yes, I agree, Enlightenment can be confused with nihilism. But what do we expect from our egoic nature? Everything that does not serve ego's agenda will be thrown immediately in the window, lol. Also, if there is meaning or not, it is a complex issue, again it depends on the perspective because it can be either universal or personal. From my point of view, if we talk about the Infinite nature of the Consciousness then there is no such thing as meaning. Good luck to you as well!

@now is forever Maybe, lol...

Sorry for my previous post, wrong thread!

I have been asking this question for a long time, and all my life I struggle to give a definite answer. We can talk about virtue, love and serve others in helping them, but really Emotions define your life, your mental states, your attitude, your mood. They play a huge role in your survival, right? Otherwise you would not care. IMHO, if you are an Infinity, then you encapsulate already everything: all the experiences, knowledge, emotions’ pallet and so on. Maybe we should treat it as a game, I don’t know. Sounds horrible but when thinking about life and its purpose it diminishes everything, leading you to depression. There is no such thing, really. Make up your own values and play with it.

I have been asking this question for a long time, and all my life I struggle to give a definite answer. We can talk about virtue, love and serve others in helping them, but really Emotions define your life, your mental states, your attitude, your mood. They play a huge role in your survival, right? Otherwise you would not care. IMHO, if you are an Infinity, then you encapsulate already everything: all the experiences, knowledge, emotions’ pallet and so on. Maybe we should treat it as a game, I don’t know. Sounds horrible but when thinking about life and its purpose it diminishes everything, leading you to depression. There is no such thing, really. Make up your own values and play with it.

@Aquarius Your post is very contradictional by nature. If you ever grasped the meaning of unconditional love, you would not say things like you wanted to kill yourself or you were hurt. You are not being honest with yourself.

Because of this web of believe that you were talking about in your videos, Leo, we have created the monster. I am really shocked how people manipulate information to suit their agenda. So many misinterpretation about very valuable information.

@Pilgrim that is a wonderful post. I am working on it myself now with my life coach. It is hard, because we have various fallacies about ourselves. Sometimes it hurts to realize that you have been lying yourself for a long time.

@Leo Gura oh Leo, can’t wait to meet you, I am in for everything, if in Chicago I will bring only one person, if in Atlanta I could arrange way more people. thanks for doing it, can’t believe I will see you.

Me too

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CreamCat, I am not sure why have you raised pedophilia topic so many times? Is it to sabotage the people here for various reasons or you mascaraed your deepest issues under the simple discussion and/or wanted to taste the waters, or just hear people’s opinion. It is not a blame, I do not care, but when I read you, I had a feeling that your inquiry about it and desire to discuss this matter carry purpose. The way I noticed it was how you entered this thread. You immediately threw biological sex into the discussion. Also, you mentioned that you have never had sex, how can you advocate for pedophile then? If you never had experience of coitus, how would you know or assume what pedophiles feel or crave for? That is confusing. The pattern of your discussion leads me to believe that you did it for some reason, because usually, people are not so passionate to discuss something so many times if it is not appealing to them, plus you wanted to know Leo’s opinion about this, however he raised this topic a couple of times in a few videos. As well as you threw a couple of contradictory thoughts masquerading them under spiral dynamic biases. People who addressed your question probably did not have time to read between the lines to understand your cognitive structure. I get that pedophilia is a very sensitive topic and would be crazy to confess in front of a large auditory of readers about your sexual inclination. I might be wrong. I just saw a couple of the red flags within the discussion and started to wonder why you are so preoccupied with this premise. Again, this might be my personal projection but I love and am very passionate about questioning others’ motives. Secondly, the problem of pedophilia is that the child’s consciousness is not ready and developed enough to fully grasp the act and purpose of sexual intimacy. I am 32 yo and have feeling that I have no clue what real intimacy and sex are yet. This field is so broad and we can explore this field the whole entire life. So which side do you want to discuss here, just a physical act of having sex with a child? Or mental gratification or pleasure that a child or adult can receive from this action? We need to address both aspects. Please do not get me wrong, I acknowledged everything you said here and have the compassion to those people who are in need to practice this sort of sexuality. But think about it from this point of view: what is the gain from this for those practicing it? and what benefit lies behind it? To explore this and answer this question, we have to address what is real sexual intimacy between two people or groups of people? Same or opposite genders. You must grow for sexual intimacy to fathom it fully. It is not just a simple orgasming or penis friction, or other ways to express it via your body. Real intimacy and great sex start from mental and emotional intimacy. How can you expect little human being to produce this kind of criteria for a great sex, if their thinking faculty is not evolved enough yet to grasp this? Just to derive physical pleasure? Well, then you can really fuck everything and anything for this purpose and claim it should gain social acceptance due to the nature of this need. To answer my question, please define sex here, the purpose of it and its benefit. I am willing to discuss this with you, I just want to shed more light on this issue.