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@Anna1 I've read couple of his post from the other threads. Do not take it personally. Obviously a person is looking for some attention. I feel like he is not OK with the solitude and loneliness as he expresses it. The way he writes, if you are actually reading carefully is a bit chaotic and it has some mild form of deviation from the norm. Seems like he is all over the place, unless it is a tactic to provoke someone or induce any kind of reaction. Do not take his rent about pick up seriously. He is masquerading into something he is not. This case might need a clinical approach. I truly think a person might need at very least a psychological counseling.

@whoareyou Thank you for your comment. Guess I was raised in different culture. We have to compete for men from where I am from. Every little girls is raised to respect, worship men. Emerald is a nice girl, very deep and very intelligent. I wish a lot of american ladies be like her. Because so far, most of the time meet shallow people.

@Meetjoeblack PM me if you are ready for some hard core gestalt, otherwise this tread is going to be flooded with your persona. Not everybody likes to hear your personal stories. We are talking about pick up here, not your personal life experience. I asked questions but you did not give me a clear answer. I understand you are trying to use humor to be charming, but some of it is irrelevant. I truly think you are a good guy, an interesting, smart. That should suffice to put woman to bed. You do not need to put some guise to prove me something. Just be your authentic self, this is sexy enough. Seems that you have a lot to share. Unless you are trying to attract any vulva, then stay where you are.

@Meetjoeblack also, I am thinking about your stories and I wonder ( I am not sarcastic) what led you to all these beliefs you described about LTR and ONS. Would be cool to know your relationship with your own mother and the pattern in your family.You are a bit chaotic but have a lot to share. let me guess, you are either Aquarius, Gemini or Libra. Might be wrong though.

Babe, you have some personal issues. It screams throughout your message. The way you address other people is a bit arrogant. I wish from all my heart to meet people like you in real world. Because all these writing on the forum might be irrelevant to how you act in reality, Mr. Giacomo Casanova. I broke up my mind reading your post because it did not have any algorithm or structure. Please, be my friend. I am looking for a person like this my whole entire life. I am so tired of this sugar-coating, etiquette, tactful games. I need someone for a constructive criticism. I really wish I could see how it works in real setting. I have not met, even once, a person who has balls to share his honest opinion. So, maybe you are the wizard, or a desperate nerd who uses a keyboard to express his suppressed needs which are unconditionally controlled by his subconscious mind.

@remember ok.

@Meetjoeblack I have read everything and broke up my mind. It is a bit hard for me to understand your generic idea. Seems like English is not your first language and some sentences does not make any sense, sorry. For instance, this sentence: "I don't think people myself included can separate life experience from perspective. Its what you lived. We're all healing (hopefully). " God, what do you mean? Just bunch of words compiled together. What is your main point?

I see. Got you. Well, of course with all my love and respect to Leo, he is not the ultimate resource to rely on. As far as I understand he had some hardships and probably is judging from his personal experience with women. Again, it is up to the person how to use the information presented on this website. I enjoy reading your comments, I mean it. Also, as for my girlfriends, the majority of them are not conscious enough. Some of them ended up in a destructive relations. I was in shock when my friend's mother was talking about male attractiveness as a decisive factor. Woman who is 56 still screens man by the certain parameters, one of which is appearance. Really? Therefore, I would believe that some generic rules of pick up that Leo talks about here may apply to her and her daughter, or women from this category.

I do not believe in karma, this world was used by me to amplify the challenges that each gender need to go through. In male case this would be unsatisfied sexual needs. I will try to be as objective as I can. I am not an expert, but I will try to urge him to use various sources and explore. I do not want him to be a close-minded person. I would rather him to integrate knowledge and refuse to cling to one position or a viewpoint.

@Etherial Cat Please be my guest and feel free to do so, express your opinion I would love to hear it. IMHO I think society has stages and it evolves naturally from low to high-conscious. We can trigger it by we can not accelerate it. Everything happens as it should. And, if we are totally honest, we can wish for it, but we are not in control. To be a man or a woman is a certain karma.

@Dumuzzi You know, yesterday, I was watching a movie by Ken Burns ("The Geography of Hope", 1877-1888), a historical one. They mentioned Mormon monogamy. I wondered myself why women would sign up for this kind of relations. Also, what about Arabic world where having five wives is a norm? Still marriage, ha? Why do you think they invented this monogamous marriages? To have license to bang more women. What about the legal marriages with 10, 13 and 14 year old teenagers back then in the nineteenth century? Everything is legal, sex inside the marriage and? Do you see any hint of perversion in it? Sex is a wonderful thing between two individuals. However, by denying it or putting a veto on it we create tension and perversion. During the whole entire history people have been inventing various tricks to legalize sex to satisfy their perverted needs.

@Etherial Cat I think it is a wonderful trait and desire to improve our planet and social relations. But at the same time this can not be forced. The desire for a high quality relations should come from within. Sometimes it is even useless to preach to a young generation who wants to copulate.

Thank you for your comment. First off, everyone has a right to practice what he wants or how he wants. Dumuzzi is welcome to look for a Conscious Relations. I am on board with him to do so. This is the highest value. You did not get my point. 99% of people on this Earth are regular unconscious people. You guys are so funny. This is a common sense. Of course we are not! Since we are here. My point is do not deny P/U. Let it be. Let the guys practice it and become more competent with women. Those who are jerks, will be jerks with regards. Those, who pretty much have a thinking capability will find the relationship model suitable and tailored for them.

It happens with regards of your attitude or expectations. Man.... guys, are you naive or something? If a casual sex would not be a norm, our planet would not be overpopulated. Sex is a basic instinct. Why are you trying to romanticize it? We have to be open-minded and allow everything to be without putting a judgement on it. You know how many people are having sex right in this second as we type? Do you think they are all married, in relations or preconditioned in any other ways?

I think most people on this forum will agree with you, including me. Because we are all here for self-development. For the majority of us here all coping mechanism will not work and we can see through the illusion of the game. However, PU occurs in our lives and takes some place within various social niche. We simply can not deny. But also, it is not set in stone black and white practice. I am sure some successful pickupers are happily married with five kids and love their wives. If it helps some men to approach women and get confident, then why not. Let them use it, let it be. In a long run, it is up to a person to decide what partner she or he wants. Again, I think most people take it too serious. Not all guys are jerks. Some of them are. Some of them use PU to start a relations, some use it for the sex only. Again, we can not go into extremes like this. Every situation between man and woman is unique and different. I have some friends that had a wonderful FNS and got married at the end.

@Dumuzzi Fair enough. I am just saying that there is a need ( demand for sex) and there is a product to satisfy this need (PU). Of course people will market it in the most devilish way possible. It is effective, efficient and it works. Emerald and you have a kernel of truth in your statements, however, our society is not on that level to practice high-conscious sex and intimacy, or even relationships. No young man will spend enough time to research and understand how it works. They want to have sex here and now.

Guys, let's be realistic. A generic person (19 year old male, European or American), outside of this forum, who does not do practices, meditation, watch videos of advaita teachers, read books won't think with all these categories. All they do nowadays is watch porn, masturbate, play video games and binge drink, in a good scenario. In a worst case scenario there are a lot of drugs, traffic violations, crimes, prostitutes, night clubs, friends and weed. Go and preach this to an average student. See what he will tell you.

There is a basic instinct that needs to be satisfied, I don't think that they think about it and take it so serious in the first place. Again, it is easy to extrapolate about it being a girl. When you are hungry, all you think is food. Are you trying to be logical about it? No. Because it is irrational. Same here. The first goal is to get laid, who cares about the consequences and what girl might care about. In a way it is stupid because men have to invent all the tricks to bang. Like my friend told me: "If I am honest about my intentions, I will never have sex." Men are silly animals. I know lots of women who could manipulate with sex to get what they want, even a wedding ring. But we can not ultimately screen all men as potential hubbies on the first date. There is always an element of the game. He does not know you and you do not know him. Why on Earth he needs to treat you as something special? It is way too early on this stage. Of course he approaches everyone, so? Why taking it personally? If it meant to be, it meant to be. Any man who approaches you needs time to open up this potential. You, yourself do not know the scenario of your unfolding relations. Nobody knows. Me too. This is a very romantic scenario with a lot of expectations that might lead to a broken heart. I do not say that we should sleep with the first man we see on the date. But I suggest to be realistic about it and leave your expectations outside the bedroom. These are all generic rules for the average user. Not everybody is highly developed, including women. So for low-conscious women the game night work. On every stage of your development there is a certain process you use to screen people for the qualities that are attractive to you. You are the woman, perhaps, that can see through the illusion and the guy needs to work harder to put you in bed. But I know you are married, just saying in general. It is easier to say than to implement. You give also a generic advice now. Men have different backgrounds, cultures, history, families, upbringing, traumas, etc. I really like you, Emerald. But in this post let me disagree with you. It is a bit bias and I feel like something deep inside irritates you about this PU. You take it very serious. Man can approach you in any way he likes. If there is a real spark between you and him, a chemistry, all the knowledge and advice he learned from so called "gurus" will fly out in the window. Because men are alive people, they are not robots and every man has its own magical road to his heart. He just need to find the One. And during the journey they all need to f...ck! Hope you will not be upset with my words. Hugs.

@Meetjoeblack I feel you, my dear.Otherwise, what to do when you want sex with your entire being and cant get it but maybe with a prostitute. I am not being a sarcastic. I mean it. I feel for men since it is hard to control sexual drive. Also I think it is unfair. I absolutely agree with you and I do not want my son, when he is old enough, to get married with a first girl he will be sleeping with. I want him to find a decent woman, to have experience first, to try. I have a lot of guy friends and this is my advice to them: to sleep around, have fun and have sex. Today I quoted Leo's PUA comment to my guy friend. Men are monogamous by nature, we have to accept it.

Thank you for your comment. “I think you can do all that solo.” You need a partner to test your own boundaries. I can tell you all day long that I am a super woman and might think of myself this way, but in relations I would behave differently. You need another person to provoke you, let’s put it this way. I can not do it alone. You need someone to be there to mirror you, to tell you about your own bs. I absolutely need someone to challenge me and to be very direct with me, to help me to improve and learn. Only through another person I can understand myself better. Solitude will not show you anything. You returned home angry and provoke a fight. What would be my reaction? Would I say: “Honey, let’s talk” or start fighting back? See, what I mean? “Have you experienced the sort of LTR status you speak of?” – again, this is super hard to evaluate myself, I have biases and blind spots. I am in the LTR right now, eight years of marriage, I am not perfect, I am still learning, we have a lot to work on as a couple, but in general my husband is a very good guy. We have a child together. I hope from all my heart it will last, if not, he always will be the dearest person for me, a father of my child. If one day we need to go through a separation, I hope that we’ll be mature enough to go through it with respect and compassion. “The culture seems to tell women to deny their femininity, fertility, and any desire for a family.” I am from different culture, family is a big thing there. The whole entire survival is based upon family ties. “There's nothing more destructive then our degenerate culture.” I wonder what made you say this? How old are you?

@Derek White @Keyhole Guys stop it, please. We are talking about PUA here. Do not take it personally. We are not in a real world, and sometimes online communication has a lot of challenges. I am sure in reality you would perceive each other differently. Nobody is right or wrong. There is a room for any opinion. You do not know each other and pushing each other's boundaries. Anyway, the person you are dealing with now is not a real person, it is just a projection of your mind and biases, let's remember this. Wrap up and let's continue the topic.

Yep, yep, yep. I agree with this. Personally, I do not see anything wrong with it. Sometimes guys need to be sneaky to hide this truth from women, because we, women, want to condition sex with various obligations.

It is a like a burning potential: to me, and I suppose I have a bit romantic vision of it, relations like this make you a better person, you become closer to your core being, closer to God, you grow, you mature, you learn, you develop, you learn how to compromise, how to listen, how to sacrifice your ego for the sake of the loved one. You put the interest of other above your own agenda. You can let go and still love a person even if he stopped loving you back or chose to be with another woman. To me it is when you love the person more than your own ego!!!!

Leo, please make a video about this. I have been asking you about this video for almost five years I've been following you. I really would appreciate it because I want to know your opinion about Conscious Relations. Not all women are attracted to jerks. I am super attracted to smart, intelligent, deep men. I do not care about humor as such. But Gosh, when you learn from a man and he has a lot of interesting things to teach/explore with you, this is the most valuable. You talk about humor a lot. I agree, it is sexy at the beginning. But what happens next? You long for a meaningful conversation with a partner, for intimacy where you can expose the most craziest parts of your being and not being scared to be judged. As for me, I think the most valuable is when your partner can open the parts of you which unknown to your entity. I compare it with a room. Some men in my life had a key to unlock this potential in me, other did not. I, even myself, do not have a key to this wonderful room (a part of myself). I do not know what triggers this. Sometimes, I could returned back from the date and I could write poems because man could unlock this potential within me. He could unlock my creativity. This is so sexy. Usually, the most sexiest things in the world do not pertain to sex itself. They are hidden. You are right, it is all about opening a woman emotionally. Than you for your feedback. Maybe one day you have time to record a video about self-actualized relations that we all need to strive for with our partners. Lots of hugs.

@Leo Gura Leo, what would you recommend to men in terms of pick up who are really seeking an authentic relation? Do you use these approaches you write yourself? I am not talking about getting laid or to satisfy sexual needs. I would like to hear your opinion about authentic relations. How would you screen for a potential partner for a long-term relations? What approach would you use with her?