Galyna

Color is not an object, it is a property of it. Seems like a bubble inside of the bubble... Matryoshka doll

First of, this topic is so fascinating. I love love love love this discussion, who knows maybe it will help me to breakthrough. Perception --->is awareness through the senses which are---->certain feelings by which the body perceives an external stimulus--->is an event or a thing which is outside of "your subjective" experience. But only the mind can register that external stimulus. What is the mind then? Thanks.

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@mandyjw sweet, thank you The premise "God does not exist" has never been a problem, "Time does not exist" either. However, "present moment does not exist." Well....then what does exist? Awareness that does not require space and time? Intellectually speaking it is hard to comprehend.

So you were upset that reality was NOT a thought construct... how about present moment does not exist? Lol . This forum has made my day!!!!

I know time is illusion, I feel like this conversation ain't going anywhere. Thank you so much for your effort So the words "the present moment doesn't exist" are just words. Might write as well: "hfhgkjfhkgjhfks jdfsk sfjsdnk" but with regards, there should be something to acknowledge these symbols, and this should happen in NOW. Otherwise ________ everything rests in the probability that exists in zero-dimensional space without time!

My main point is this.. Reality is not a thought construct Are you referring to my words, I don’t think I said this, or you are referring to Nahm?

Sure, you are absolutely have a right to say this. However, I think he is just trying to be as direct as possible to lead us to this realization - to strip away any idea, notion, concept...to basically undress your mind and leave it naked. When the mind is naked, it will collapse and your awareness will turn inward. And that is fine. An Ego needs to balance in the dual world, otherwise this illusion is not possible. Please let me know if I've understood your idea correctly.

Wow, thank you for a nice interpretation, you put it way better and plausible. It is exactly how it feels to me from time to time. I wonder about it myself. If you try to use scientific methods to define it, they would say that perception is always late and occurs after any event has happened. But again, I am not in a position to tell you this since I am not a scientist.

Notice that we can not move any further, with regards how you define it. It sounds as an absurd, but we should not be too pedantic, thus languages is needed at some point to lead you to that spot where you must drop it.

I will try to go as deep as I can. I will describe you, or at least try, how it feels So...feels like a net to me, there is a tapping into the net when knowledge is needed. How knowledge appears? Certain sensation aka thoughts. The mind takes and twists this concept as if death is going to happen sometime in the future. Future is a thought Should I contemplate deeper what language is? It feels like there is an inner dialog, I am trying to understand what word is? I am drawing in the semantics and definitions. A linguistics is "the scientific study of language and its structure..." A language is "the method of human communication, either spoken or written, consisting of the use of words in a structured and conventional way." A word is "a single distinct meaningful element of speech or writing, used with others (or sometimes alone) to form a sentence and typically shown with a space on either side when written or printed." A speech is "the expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds." Thoughts are "the action or process of thinking." or "ideas" Thinking is "the process of using one's mind to consider or reason about something." A mind is....basically a thought...vicious circle. Bunch of an abstract ideas that were built to reinforce more thinking and more confusion. Please guide me, I am stuck... Thanks for helping to osmose these things.

Think positive and it will Good luck.

why parallel universes and right now (whatever now it is: yours/mine/a person in this thread) can NOT be imagined simultaneously. Why only 1 NOW per POV?

I get this part. Have you ever had one? There is no sarcasm in my statement, just curiosity.

would that not require shift from being a mere illusion and to become Truth? I just can not get it, how a paper ticket can be handed to an cartoon character. I am struggling because they are made of different substances.

Because mother and bullet are just appearances, might be agents of "my" Reality. How do I know if she is real or not if I do experience this reality from first person? She can be dead for me, but!!! I am not dead, therefore, it is all part of my experience including her death? To acknowledge someone's death requires me in this equation. No me, no mama's death. Does it prove that my death as real as her, absolutely not....I have never been dead before. Everything that outside of my experience can be anything and I can not verify it, thus I can not take it as a face value. I can ultimately only trust my own experience. That is all I know!

I do not know if it can kill me (I have never been dead before) so both these statements, aka can/can not, are in unverifiable mode right now, as a Schrödinger's cat. Might kill, might not, guess I will find out what can/can not kill me when I am dead, or still alive. Unlike the other claim, this one is easy. I am not going to fall through because I am a part of the imaginary reality. Like pixels on the screen for the cartoon, none of it is glitch, they perfectly line up as a whole.

I was not talking about the benefits, they preach about... I was talking about a falsehood of their perception for Love, God and Infinity.

Another 5 cents: @Leo Gura I do not get one thing: how imaginary psychedelic that is given to imaginary ego ( notice! both do not exist in the absolute sense) can trigger true awakening and buy you a "ticket to the Moon"? (Where the Moon is a non-dual state, so called Truth.) It is like handing a lottery ticket to the cartoon character through the screen, where the ticket is a paper and the character is just a bunch of pixels on the screen. Semantically speaking, these are two different dimensions. One is 2D another is 3D and the Truth is a 4D ( hypothetically speaking) I can not wrap my mind around it, since all is matrix (lets just call it this way) and psychedelics are a part of it, but they can pull you out of this matrix.

I have been asking this question for quite a while. "How so?" I do not know, I have not taken psychedelics. But lesson is learned. Taking psychedelics does not mean or imply being a spiritual person who is mastering or dissolving their ego. I do not care how much psychedelics you take, if you lack some human interaction basics, to me that speaks more than any of your claims about God, Love and Infinity. Actions, my dear, actions....words do not cost a thing.

Here is my intake on it. I am sure that psychedelics can dissolve your ego, they can have healing power, give you bunch of insights and deepen your work on the path to Enlightenment, however I have some doubts and will be talking from my personal experience. Read between the lines and connect the dots: A lot of people on this forum claimed that they have received some kind of revelation about God, Love and Infinity when doing psychedelics. OK..no problem,and I took it as a face value, however, when I started to interact with them through this forum, I have noticed a particular thing: they have not mastered their egos in a way how high conscious people should. No shadow work, no self-awareness, none of that. (I hope I am not hurting anyone's feelings here) I am trying to be objective. Actually, by approaching those people and really interacting with them, I begin to doubt in a powerful effects of psychedelics on ego. I was like OK, something is not quite right to me. I have never taken any psychedelics but yet I have some integrity and trying to be honest. I can preach about God and Infinite Love all day, but if my actions does not consistent with my words, all my preaching will fly out the window and be discredited. SO....do you really know what they are talking about? That is the question.

As Ramana would say : "Why not?"

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