Galyna

I was referring to something different under suffering, but you want to go extreme, as usual . All right, I will address this question. It is very interesting question, I appreciate it. “Would you be happy if you tested positive cancer? Or if your children die in a car accident? Or if you become blind? And I mean the list can go on and on.” – actually, you would. You would be surprised how much a human being can take, survive, and adapt to the change. I do not want to sound cynical but a lot of people who went through these situations at some points of their lives have accepted and surrendered to these horrible incidents. I know such people. Some of them are members of my family who had cancers, not even one. My own grandmother lost her son when he was little. It is scary how human being can rebound and move on in life. Let’s put it this way: there are two different types of situations in life. In one situation we can not do anything and must accept the outcome and change/adapt, we do not have a choice: death, illness, disability. You go through all the stage of grief and coping mechanisms. (Denial and isolation, anger, bargaining, depression and finally acceptance.) A lot of people who have terminal illness come in peace right before their death. A lot of people escape death and recover. Notice, there is no suffering in it at the end. It is just a gradual process that begins and continues with suffering and morphs into something else. In another situation we can do something but choosing not to, and staying in the victim mode, pleasuring from suffering, even though might not realize it. It is not in your nature to suffer, fundamentally. That is exactly what I meant when I wrote that you even love your suffering. Everyday suffering, long-term. One that can be escaped or transcended but for some reasons is there and tiring you. Do you see now how different suffering can be? Why do you think you have this insatiable desire to know “yourself”? Because deep down you know that you’ve tricked yourself into thinking you are a limited human being, and now you want to break free from it. Because you also know that suffering is alien to your nature. Let’s be honest. If you get blind one day, what would you do after the 5th stage of grief? You would probably go inward and develop in that direction, listening to audiobooks, meditating a lot on nature. You would use this as an opportunity to realize that you are not just your solid body. You would adapt. You would develop other senses better, might start composing your own music or play on the handpan. Unless you have a mental disorder, then you could kill yourself, but if you are pretty healthy, you would find a coping mechanisms. when you do not want to find coping mechanism nor transcend suffering, you might start enjoying it as well. I would be careful and avoid such negative statements, you realize that you will be shown exactly what you believe in? there is no compromise in it. When one realizes "he" is infinite in all aspects, man....these all mundane things become irrelevant. That is exactly what we are doing here. Still not convinced?

Thank you!!! Nah .... Psychology is not my path.

Oh look who is here in my thread! My old friend, Sommie! Hello, hello…😊 you actually love suffering as well. Train your attention and become directly aware of it. You love your identity, your ego, everything you call “yourself “. You love how you think , how you see the world with this filter through your own personal experience. This attachment to the idea of “I” creates suffering as well, when something doesn’t align with your needs and desires. You pity yourself. All of us do. And you actually feel subtle pleasure in this process. Think about this: if you don’t like something in your life, you go and change it. Right? What is preventing you from happiness? Fear, right. So here comes this vicious cycle. You are unhappy but afraid of uncertainty that change might bring into your life. You pity yourself and suffer, becoming a victim of life circumstances. But do you understand that you can absolutely achieve anything you want. It depends directly on your faith. As soon as you have faith that you can achieve something and desire for it, everything is possible. So suffering is not real either. If we are truly honest: we are staying in a crappy life situation because we have hidden benefits in it.

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@Yimpa you are so welcome. Glad my post could help! 🙏😊

Don’t seek the depth in the Other, there is no depth like Yours…. One day Love eventually comes back home. It has been outside desperately looking for something in the external world…looking for “this treasure”. It was close to “touch the God”, so so so close… and it failed again this time. My beloved lover disappeared like a snow on the sunny day. This woman in love disappeared with him as well. Was the experience real? Yes. Did it mean to be? No. You want to be cynical and say: “I don’t care, everything is illusory in this world. It comes and goes. I will stand up and walk on my path again….” But wait…sense what you feel inside. These feelings that you are experiencing, they are REAL! Yes, the characters in this dream you call life, are illusory! But feelings are REAL. And when you observe this reality with sensory organs it is not just a dry perception happens to no one. Perception is real. Perception is feeling. And you are IT. You are this perception. You are FEELING. You can brush aside everything but still…you are feeling it. And you become it. You are a pain, you are a compassion, you are a hurt, you are a sadness. As you walk this path suffering and pain eventually grows into joy and harmony. Some of these feelings will go away, some of them will stay for a long time.Maybe for the rest of your life! But those feelings will not stay with you but rather you will be these feelings! And every feeling will give life to another feeling and so on and so forth. This is what karma truly is. Your mind will be looking for the meaning, it will assign the significance to each and every person or event that will happen. But leave it aside. You do not need meanings all the time,Reality is a Feeling. Love is a feeling; it is not a noun….it is a verb. Faces will change, people always come and go, names, places, circumstances…but feeling is ever present, so near, closer than your skin. Prior to each inhale and exhale. And you are IT. Don’t let destructive emotions to toy you around. In the long run, you turn around just to see that everything is on its place. Everything is for the greater purpose. And what you can do is to truly love, no matter what, despite everything, not a person, but to love Love itself! It enriches you; it transcends you; it picks you up from the devouring abyss of despair. It rescues you when no one is around. It gives you strength when your lover betrays you. It wakes you up from the worst and darkest nightmare of your life. Nothing really matters with time. This is how Love gets back home and takes its place, which it left long time ago.

@PurpleTree thanks 😊

Love doesn’t divide. But in a long run, Love as we know it is just a concept that our mind is clinging to so desperately. I am not denying it I am just saying, love is beyond and prior to any concepts. You need a good amount of awakening to see it.

Thanks 🙏 😊

Thanks 🙏.

Beautifully said! I agree. But sometimes to get there, personality has to suffer a hell a lot.

I would remove the word " Self" here .

Thank you.

Sadness happens....

no, you are not the one who is observing. Observation happens to no one. Personality is a collection of various phenomenon. you are none of it. Sensual phenomenon creates a human being that you think you are. In reality there is no nouns, only verbs. There are processes that happen to no one.

Relatively speaking, from a paradigm of a human being, not from a paradigm of an Absolute Consciousness! Freedom is when you align your intrinsic authentic desires with your external needs. Love yourself in your actualization. You do not have to throw "the game" in the trash, you can always enjoy the "character"

Epistemology, ofc ?

@Nilsi philosophy

@StarStruck @StarStruck whenever you put your attention, there you become! Just switch your attention to some motor activities.

Pure effortless awareness is very important in everyday “meditation” (let’s call it self-remembering). As soon as “you” lose the awareness, the flow starts to construct “you” on autopilot. But if the awareness is there, five senses are drowning in the perception. “I” starts to dissolve. What do I mean here by “awareness”? When “you” acknowledge any mind activity within, any thought. “You” literally acknowledge how the mind creates and assigns “I”, “me”, “my” and/or “mine” to any activity at play. It always speaks in a possessive case, rather than subjective and objective. When “you” lose this effortless awareness, the thought process starts to create "you" as a separate individual. As soon as this happens, even right at this second, “you” cannot catch and notice it anymore. Now "you" have been formed as a human being. Human being is an illusion. Practice the following: total full relaxation. Thoughts come and go. Notice them and let them go before they start to construct a human being. Before they capture, curve this “I” and start to develop an individual with a story line within space and time. (None of these exist in actuality) You are a collection of thoughts, please notice it. You do not exist as a human without language and conceptual knowledge. Ultimately everything boils down to 5 senses. Remove language. Conceptual level forms you as a human being. All “you” have to do is to develop enough attention to notice this. There is no one at home, nothingness....and "you" do not exist.

@Bobby_2021 I do have an account but I don’t post spiritual content there. Maybe I should. I need to upload my writings on the website.

That is not God, that is conceptual thinking, which is MIND! "In front", "behind", "beyond and above" do not exist and merely are figments of your imagination. Let's not exalt a regular phenomenon! But if you want to be romantic, sure, please read below: Talking back at you using your language, yes MIND IS A PART OF GOD, so relatively we can say mind is god! However you want! I was talking more about states of realization...but mind wants to be poetic. Mind creates God, Consciousness and Self-Realization.

So true

Oh sorry, I haven’t even thought about it. I’ve assumed you are a guy, because girls are rarity here ?.

YES, you are doing it all the time btw, you've never noticed it, start with sleep yoga, once become lucid in your dreams, you will understand what I am saying. "If you have 15 senses and not just 5..you will still be able to interact with the world via the senses." - Sommie, your five senses form the world but not the way around. No 5 senses- no world! notice it. Psychedelic experiences, dreams and wakefulness, deep sleep = ONE. THE SUBSTANCE OF REALITY IS INSEPARABLE. when "you" go to bed, "you" literally disappear from the "solid" world and you become a "dream"! It is not that you walk from one room to another. Reality morphs and changes. You cannot notice it when you are falling asleep. It is always one substance, what it does, it changes the phenomena by which it expresses itself for ITLSELF!