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Well unfortunately it´s still the mayority of people attitude towards psychs. Recreation and fun. We here in actualized.org live in a bubble lol

I think you should be allright starting very slow. I mean sure yeah you could try weed but it´s not like it´s going to give you a understanding of an actual psychedelic trip. Not to say that weed can´t be strong, because it definetely can, but just saying, that I don´t think that you need it.

Hahaha I don´t know man but that made me laugh although I´ll tell you i wouldn´t be surprised if number 2) and 3) is correct

@Nahm I' m always trying my best to get it but you guys talk like in hieroglyphics... Although I know is the only way to go, since the map is not the territory, explicit words could never point out what I need to discover ?

@Red-White-Light Well, let me explain. The laws of physics exist whitin imagination. The laws of physics is also imagination. Basically any world that you perceive through your limited self (Mind and beliefs) will be the world Maya(illusion). Of course any invention that makes the world of Maya limited, will effectively will make Maya limited (for example, physics). For example you surely have had dreams sometimes in where you drop something and it fell off to the ground. The law of physics within the dream will actually make you unable to fly. Does that mean thay physics existed in your dream? Well, kind of. It depends on your perspective. I would say that they existed but they were not actually "real", or at least they would have lost their meaning as being categorized as a "limit". Which in my opinion is the important key to the this discussion since you probably are skeptic of Breatharians because it implies cutting through the limit of Biology laws. I think I explained myself better with this last paragraph, also pardon my first message because I was a little harsh and rude I hadn´t had coffee yet today lol.

@Red-White-Light You are imagining reality. Get over it. There's no "grounded reality" but the one you imagine to be. That's why everything that you can read in this thread COULD be possible. That doesn't mean of course that the OP could be lying and actually all breathtarians could be a scam, though, I'm just saying you need to be aware of the implicit beliefs you are projecting as "reality" or "the limits of consciousness".

Very interesting. I need to research this more. Since my glimpse of infinite consciousness, ive been eating like 50% of food and also sleeping like 2-3 hours less without no effect on energy whatsoever. In fact I feel much more energetic. I don't know if extremes are good but definitely people eat way more than they should

You can let all those thoughts go and start to inquire who is the one who has this fear.

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@Serotoninluv Do you think that I´ll have to have the attitude I had today in each of my little neurosis and shadows my mind If I want to trascend the conditional view and stay more in the unconditional? Damn, for one hand the payoff seems very promising, in the other it seems incredible difficult to get there. Like, people don´t say this, but meditation is relatively easy to maintain when you are sitting there just having a thought here or a thought there. Doing the same practice when your internal world is on fire, is another thing LOL. @cetus56 Lmao if the Ox just finds out you are talking shit about him

@Serotoninluv Yes! Yes! How can it be possible some people might say! But it´s possible! "Awful" gets created as a reaction of the mind to a particular happening of the present moment. (But i haven´t said anything new, have I )

@OmniYoga I get your point, I also have wondered the same as you, however I like to think that since I started this spiritual journey, the final destination is real sanity, far from the distorsions and interpretations of the mind. However how the road might be here from there, that I can´t assure how will it be.

@OmniYoga Because there´s common denominator for people who show traits of what we call mental illness, psychosis, or neurosis: They usually suffer tremendously and they are not definetely "in peace". In fact, that´s why we call something a "mental illness", because it shows that it´s disruptive for the life of the one who has it. In pychology there´s this "rule" that goes something like this "we call mental illness when it starts disrupting the life of the patient". From this point, of course you are right in realizing that from an outside perspective the different between an Enlightened person and a person with Psychosis are just the labels you put on each one! The thing is, the mechanism why some people are labeled as having psychosis, and others being Awake. The ones labeled as Awake, whatever crazy things they might affirm, it´s clear that their possible "mental illness" shows no traits of disfuncionality or suffering in his life, so, whatever they have, we can´t call "mental illness" anymore. People with psychosis shows clear traits of disfunctionality and suffering in his life, so we use a label of mentall illness such "psychosis".

This always wrecks my mind. I know it´s pretty stupid to try to use the mind to grasp the infinite but... when I´m talking to my mother it´s just consicousness playing act with itself? There´s really not two there? Oneness it´s literal? @Inliytened1 Sometimes I think this is just ego playing non-dual games. The more I try to do "interpretations" of my actual experience in my state of conscioussness where I´m attached to an ego, it gets more and more confusing. When the mind goes to silence, then it´s when the sky clears. I just have to remind myself more of it LOL and shut up more.

It doesn´t make you suspect that if I Dominant male would have done that to you, you wouldn´t have enjoyed a bit? It doesn´t seem "unconditional" to me. You were highly biased, you accepted / loved the pain but just because it hit you certain sexual triggers But a male doing that to you wouldn´t hit the triggers for you. See your self-bias? Pain coming from a Dominatrix = Yeah, I´ll take that pain hell yeah. Pain coming from male or women who you don´t feel sexually triggered by: Nope, I don´t want that pain. You need to have an unconditional attitude! Which obviously nobody I´ve seen in the BDSM scene has. Is totally BS, nobody is actually Masochism unless they don´t indentify themselves with a conditional/self-biased mind. That´s literally the reason why human beings don´t want/judge pain! Unconditional is very rare. However I get your point. I think your story is valuable because if observed as you did, it just gives you a "hint" that things could actually be more relative than we actually think. So I am not arguing that, definetely if that experience helps to be suspicious of apparent absolute concepts, you got the point

My advice is stop using the mind to look for Truth. You realized in your first person experience that you are unlimited and your 'deeper understanding' came from stepping out of the perspective of the limited mind. So, why are you keep trying to jump into conclusions using the mind? Can't you see that you are trying to make sense of the infinite with a finite glasses? It's just not possible. You need to realize you can 'download' more deep insights just staying in silence. We are so disconnected of our body and our subtle energy and so obsessed with the perspective and analysis of the mind, that we actually believe what we can think with the mind is all there is! Starting a Yoga practice will probably do you a lot of good. It's great to get "downloads" of intelligence and finally accept that you won't anywhere with the analysis of the mind. Again, the mind is limited, reality is infinity. The mind just won't able to grasp anything worthwhile from certain States of consciousness and above.

But that is because you have some juicy enjoyable neurotransmitters in your brain being produce while you feel the pain... It´s no different than taking a drug for pain...mmm I feel that is cheating @Jed Vassallo

Are you sure that is divided or you think that is divided?

Hi, you seem to now a lot about Kundalini Awakening. Honestly, I haven´t research the stuff much. I am still skeptick if it´s literal or it is just a "symbol". Do you think that last night, when I went to sleep, I fall asleep and then suddenly very soon I woke up but before it my consciousness "woke up" in darkness (until here its kinda normal, people who get sleep disorders experience sometimes this "transition" between awake and dreaming), but what happened was body started trembling furiously, very violent. I let go and just let it be of course because i couldnt even move. I´ve had some sleep alterations of this kind here and there but nothing that violent as yesterday. I didnt give it much importance though, but now reading that i´d just thought to ask

@Leo Gura Love is creation And we all sure as hell are amazing creators.

I have realized than self-denial is no good. I am expert in self-denial. I want to start loving thoughts, all of them. If they appear I want to love them, I don't want to escape from them anymore. I want to let them BE, for that I have to INCLUDE them in my space. Instead of fighting them and get attached in the fight, instead of creating a fight, I want to make SPACE for them. Who am I to judge anything anyway? Why I assumed that anything would be worthwhile judging? How to include EVERYTHING in your experience?

Yeah I know I need to re-start my practices no doubt. @Nemo28 Wow

Psychedelics are not a guarantee Truth per se at all, It seems the mind will almost always make interpretations unless the mind is totally erased in the experience. I am an example of that, is not that I became more deluded that I was, but even though I benefitted tremendously of Altered states in my few psychedelic trips some years ago (they can be amazing for instrospection and just lowering your egocentrism), I thought I had discovered some deeper 'truth' with them although by that time I didn't know exactly what. However they weren't really showing me any Truth, I am it. But they did their work of course, it just they didn't show me the absolute/Truth but it wasn't necessary in that moment. I didn't need Truth in that moment but just basic self-healing. I realize now those states where just altered states happening within the "dream" too that awareness (myself) is creating. You can delude yourself with a Bible, you sure as hell can too with a psychedelic, especially if you use it to escape from normal sober life. But as long as you have a Spiritual practice, most of the times I think they will always be potentiators/catalizators of Truth, after all they dissolve the ego, they might not always show the Truth, but they will align you with it. Just make sure you don't start making stories and interpretions about the experience stepping into fantasy land.

@Nahm So...Does that mean that I am, perfectly fine where I am...always? That I dont have to go nowhere? So simple, but still don´t grasp it. Slowly going back to dreamland, although dreamland too happens within awareness. Losing awareness happens within awareness too, that is recomforting . Damn, how many layers of depth are . You too never get bored in this playground, don´t you? It´s such an entertaining movie this one

@4201 @MAYA EL Hey, I also thought (the day after it happened) when all concepts collapsed in my reality, I rationalized thinking...hey, maybe it was my brain and the psych doing an strange collaboration to actually left me with 0 memories for a moment, and therefore that's why everything seem to totally die in that moment. But then I realized, that that explanation was also something being created, something inside the consciousness, there's no doubt that consciousness came first, and it's now first and it will be, explain it doesn't make sense but this understanding came in form of intuition/perspective shift that it was impossible that any thought could convince me otherwise. After I abandon that last thought of sanity to try to realign my intense experience with my classic materialistic understanding of reality , I entered a whole new perspective and I actually comprehend it,.not with words but with something that I couldn't prove wrong. Like they usually say here 'it has no opposites'. As I did too, maybe you can explore different perspectives first before trying to make sense. It's like the Tetris game, maybe that block it can never fit in that box. (And you should try another a really really different box)