Javfly33

Yeah! That duality between the ultimate and the relative reality is a hard one to let go. It kind of implies you just can´t "escape" the physical realm before actually accepting it and surrendering completely to it. We are God but at the same time since we are inevitable so we can´t avoid ourselves. Which is kind of trippy if you think about it.

Usually there is a lot of criticism to the survival actions of the psychological identity (ego) because it causes the tendency of neurotic behaviours and devirly. In my work environment for example I see a lot of problems arising purely because too much ego between one workmate Vs other . So I started thinking, well, it's crazy how people make this toxic environment just because of pure falsehood (ego) when really the business don't create that much problems naturally But then, how is the survival of the body different? If we criticize a person because of attaching itself to his identity (ego), how we justify making the same devilry to maintain the physical body? Where you draw the line? Is there a rational explanation to make this difference or is it just pure bias?

So judging the devil is itself devilry as @Gesundheit pointed out Thats quite a strange loop

of course. When you don´t have any other choice but to accept, then what you´gonna do i guess Which makes perfect sense why we are infinite and total love... total acceptance of ourselves = total and infinite love

Yeah. Unfortunately we can´t escape ourselves

I think there is only being Conscious of yourself. I would argue that Being self conscious is a phrase that revolves around being too attached to the ego identity . That's why commonly is used when people have social anxiety and so on, they become too identified in the false identity . So in a sense psychology or human culture have been using that term very poorly. It's the opposite of truly being conscious. You got me. ? The devil. But I wanted to point out that discarding more conscious behaviours just because is "human centric" doesn't make much sense imo honestly. It's similar to going to the dentist and rejecting anesthesia because pain is an illusion or a bias. But the truth is in that state that illusion will still hurt .

The devil is God but unconscious of itself If God becomes conscious it stops being a devil. That's why Awakening/Truth is the end of the devil.

No. God is having a human experience.

Thanks, the first no BS answer of this topic it seems... People don't get how hardcore Truth is...

Harm to others which are You What devilry makes is that by believing you are a self, there is justified to do all kind of stuff to survive your self. But since there is no self, you are basically creating harm to others because of pure ignorance. Exactly. The devil doesn't win anything. But this whole work is about stopping being the devil and becoming God. Conscious of what it is doing to itself . Can't unquote on phone, damn somebody fix this damn feature.

Where exactly I am showing "disgust of myself"? @Someone here That's still a self. How do you know what you call 'the body' is separate from what you call 'the mirror'? What you are not seeing is that by making those disntinctions within direct experience, you create the so called body! Before those disntinctions were made there was no body.

Yes, I have been doing something which was probably grounded in falsehood. I am beggining to consider that there is not a self here to survive..that's the whole thing about the illusion. The illusion is maintain a self that is not here . There might be no self after all dude!! Well I don't think that is my case. But I opened the topic because I find myself making the duality between criticizing all types of survival actions to maintain the ego identity, but at the same time I see as totally normal and justify the actions to maintain the body. This is not to say that we shouldn't keep our body safe and healthy, but as a contemplation of why we make the difference and where the line is drawn. Of course most unnecessary harm to others comes from Psychological identitiy ideas (narcissism, etc) since the body is just fine by sleeping 6-8 hours, eating 1500-2000 calories. Everything else is unnecessary devilry probably. So I guess making the difference has a point. But we shouldn't forget the difference is imaginary, of course ?

I call it wrong in the sense that survival might be falsehood.

Is there a direct experience of a body, tho? I don't have a direct experience of a body ?. I do have direct experience of thoughts labeling "body" to direct experience. As you said .

That´s exactly what I said that I would be doing Yes, it could. As long as it has a long-ass expensive camera in front of it Having an expensive camera gives you massive social proof. Add that Connor Murphy has massive effortless confidence and he is going out at night where people are usually having drinks, the weird thing would be that he wouldn´t find girls to kiss. Lol. Not exactly. Mabye I didn´t explained myself well. I said (Or wanted to say) that I would do it differently. As you said, in my style. I think pick-up is way too focused on stage-orange-materialistc approach. Which obviously I understand because people when they want to get laid or have a girlfriend would like some results in the short-mid term, not spend the next 5-6 years doing hardcore personal development and spiritual growth. But ultimately what you want in life is a map/guide to start building yourself rock solid so the "techniques" or teory that they taught you in pick up, you literally have them in your insides naturally because you have embodied self-love and confidence as the true work.

This is even better: I am working on a life purpose related to this. Maybe not 100% focused on pick up but it will included it. Expressive, joyful, in the moment, sharing love and wisdom. Having fun. I get that pick up and dating must be worked on but I feel the content out there is not the best highest teaching to our souls. It can be so much improved. Much, much "lighter", much much effortless. More ourselves

+1 . Followed the Reddit post line by line and so far my plugged trips have been extremely potent and successful

Stop it. No way I am all of this No way man ???

Why I can't surrender the question "HOW" and "WHY" ?

Then why you still think you have a body?

Do you want your life to end? Because that is what is required to end the identification with the body. What you are missing is that sages that lost the identification with the body almost went dead due to hunger and forgetting to care his body.

That logic is not good.

Now you are just trolling buddy

What about meditation? What happens there? You "think" meditation?

Do you need thoughts to see? Do you need thoughts to hear a song? Of course the afterwards narrative of "I heard a song" is thought. Actually see if you are still "there" when a song is playing and thoughts don't arise. So far nobody has died listening to a song ? Is it weird that I was thinking about Nahm after finishing reading the OP and there you go in the first post appears ?