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@blankisomeone Yeah maybe from their mind's POV, but God is very aware of its doing. But even then, the person who commits suicide is actually looking for "relief" and that is the definition of "infinite love". Next time you orgasm, you'll notice it's basically intense relief. That's what a suicidal person wants, love.

@SgtPepper Change your definition of "suicide" to the "choice the reunite with infinite love and God when one chooses to do so". Or more simply put, death / suicide is just "going home".

I'm all for this. Imagine you feel that you've done what you can in life, had the experiences you want, and just feel the sense that it's time. This is that machine. Honestly, IMO it would be better if we had a device available that we could self administrate and have on us at all times. Basically, it's introducing an "EXIT GAME" button which is totally within our own soverence to do so. Ever played a video game before and was like... nah this aint it chief - and exited game? Now we get to do that, instead of "no you gotta painstaking wait until some illness or old age gets to you" I personally feel this device will ENRICH life, because we'll always have the option to leave, therefore MORE freedom, less fear. True love is the freedom to do or to not do anything, INCLUDING the freedom to exist or not to exist. (As this current form, yes God will always exist )

@Leo Gura How about Martin Ball? Is he God Realized?

@Leo Gura Fair enough. Some people suggest that our best bet is to transition from our biological body into more of a robotic system which retains consciousness. That way beings could exist forever and travel the galaxy much more effectively and we wouldn’t use up any resources at all. This is actually an idea I heard from Martin Ball, would it really be wise for mankind to go in this direction. Does a biological form trump robotic?

@Leo Gura Yes! Imagjne a world of 100% god realized beings, what would that be like lol? Like let’s say something was created that gave people the option (when they turn 18) to have a God realized consciousness shift (via some sort of procedure). Woah, probably heaven on earth. Could microdosing pseudo achieve this in our current global situation? (I’ll be directly researching this myself)

@Leo Gura Interesting, is it not out of the question for a technology to be developed that can permanently change our brain chemistry but whilst maintaining the parts we need to function in life?

@Leo Gura Do you actually recommend this? (Month of 5meo) Also, thoughts on this: Since we literally rely on "external" things such as water, food, shelter etc - isn't not so much of a leap to suggest that we also rely on "external" factors such as psychedelics for our spiritual development? What if, its actually impossible to get to where could get to without psychedelics? Like yes maybe some people can get far without them, but psychedelics get you there quicker AND further than any human can without. It seems to work with the external environment in all areas of life (and not just our ego mind-body saying i'll do it all alone) is a TRUE coming one with all. What if we actually NEED psychedelics, like a frickin' Abraham Maslow hierarchy factor. I feel this to be true for me at least, thoughts?

@mandyjw @SQAAD @Breakingthewall @Tim R @The Lucid Dreamer @JosephKnecht @OneHandClap @Rilles @Judy2 But constantly being reborn until you become pure Godlike seems like it's not from the highest good/love. If you tell me that If I don't do good things or if I don't do this or that then I'll be reborn as a lesser being or go to a hellish realm that literally just installs fear as a motivator to be better. Then you would only be a good person or do good thing "so you don't go to hell" / out of fear? --- That's fucked, imo. I hope that things are so that you get a choice each lifetime if you wanna continue, something doesn't quite ring true in my heart about this whole worse reincarnation thing / hell realms if you do bad things. My inkling (still not verified yet) is that we simply unite into one infinity as love forever eternally, then we get bored of infinity and be a being again. Play a new character, change the character's clothes, appearance, give it wings whatever the fuck. But Idk still, unless we have a direct experience of a final human physical death WE CAN'T KNOW. All of us here are still writing on a forum so non of us know, maybe it'll be a nice surprise when it's our time. Yes, some people have had NDE's and have died (I don't discount that) however non of us that are still breathing have had the "FINAL" physical death. Yes Ego death is basically the same thing,,,, BUTTT not quite, not physically and permanently - you have to actually die and stay dead to truly know LOL. Let's find out when we find out and live by love in the meantime.

Same! I resonate with this since I'm more of a creative and expressive type. Meditation is good sometimes but my entire being seriously doesn't resonate with it. I prefer to keep my eyes open and actively look at life closely as it unfolds.

Hey just been re-studying this video of Leo's: Leo states that when we die, we go to that infinite center of love. But then also says it may take us 100s of lifetimes to get there. So that would mean when we die we just go into another life, not infinite love. Surely it would make more sense that when you die you'd go to infinite love because that's the end of your self, when you die - your ego dies right?

@Tim R Beautiful. Thank you ?

@Salvijus ahah thank you! Interesting, interesting, I just still don’t know for myself. Imma have to come to these insights within my direct experience before I even begin to follow anything that eludes to breaking out of a karmic wheel. For all I know when I die maybe nothing happens and it’s infinite no form forever, or maybe I’ll be a unicorn in a heavenly realm - idk, so I’ll have to find out ?‍♂️

@VeganAwake that’s very well said I like that explaination. Thank you ?

@Salvijus Yes I agree with you, I am asking about a relative matter. You could dismiss anything with the no dual approach. Like all of these letters are intimately meaningless and words themselves are simply meaningless sounds and then even sound technically doesn’t exist so let’s all sit here and say nothing ahaha. I guess a good way to say this, is that we’re playing a video game here. Yes I understand it’s a video game, yes it’s only pixels on a screen and it’s not actually real. However, I’m asking from one player to another - how do you get dragon oil from the bartender over the valley? I’m asking a question from the game characters point of view. If I asked you “In Lord Of The Rings, when the hobbits die - where do they go?” Would you just tell me that movies aren’t real and it doesn’t exist? Well obviously I already know that but I’m asking from the level of the movie, from inside the J.R. Tolkien’s fantasy world. … and there IS an answer to these questions. Understanding that the truth of a video game is that it’s all pixels on screen doesn’t answer your problem of needing 200xp to level up your weapon.

@Nahm Nice one man, I have to say I really appreciate your replies, I kind your presence warm and it all sounds quite cool. But I don’t understand it that well, it’s abit to hard for me to follow. That’s my own personal thing, I guess I Jive and resonate with different styles that these current explainations. At the end of the day I’ve gotta figure this out for myself and find my own answers, much love brother. Love you presence on this forum, peace ?

@Shin But let's say I don't make it to infinite love by the end of my life, and I die at 80 years old - do I then join back into God/ infinite love or am I swung back into reincarnating lives until I "go all the way" so to speak?

@Seraphim Interesting, maybe I'll have to become a shaman lool

I don't quite understand. In my current awareness/experience bubble - this is ALL that exists. No others, no places, no other rooms - just this desk, this monitor and these fingers typing. Is this literally the only thing that exists, like - at all? Sure, people on this forum may reply to this but ultimately they'll only exist once this awareness bubble looks for them. What I'm trying to understand is - Is my / this awareness bubble the ONLY one and the others that come and go from it don't have their own? Sure, I would love to assume that others do have their own bubbles, lives and experience etc. But from a complete honest level that's an assumption. I can't know for sure. For all I know, I am the only awareness that has ever existed and also at that level maybe even the only human. At least at this moment in time, until coming into contact with another. A good metaphor to wrap this up is the following: When you have a dream, all the characters, landscapes and objects are you. The dream character is unaware of this until you wake up, but when you wake up it becomes clear that you were everything in that dream, you were the dream so to speak. Is this the same as life? Is this life (of my character) the only life happening? Yes I am the entirety of it - the whole bubble/ the whole dream - but is this the only dream? Like how in a dream, the dream characters don't have their own perspectives, their own lives. They may say they do, seem like they do, act like they do, but only when in the main dream characters view and once they're out of view they don't exist. (They're not actually out their somewhere living a life) Are there other bubbles (like the one that this body is at the center of) ? Like, yes maybe me and another persons bubbles are actually ONE but just currently experienced as separate for the time being OR is it so radical that literally ONLY this bubble that I experience exists. Because that's all I can truly verify (without assumptions). ...obviously I act and live as if people do exist (bc its fun, logical, immersive and mayyybee even true, but what's actually true here? Regards

@BipolarGrowth Very interesting, thank you! Well, I'm working towards discovering the absolute truth of this, it's so fascinating.

@Mosess Well this bubble exists, and I call that myself.

@Leo Gura Thoughts on this?

@Tyler Durden Yes the dream analogy seems to be very apt. All very interesting, I love this

@iboughtleosbooklist No worries, I gotchu. Thanks for joining the discussion. ? ?

@michaelcycle00 I see, I get you. However, if I have a coin in my hand, that's not an assumption. There is a coin in my hand. (yes ofc it's technically consciousness but u get me) Then, if someone else shows me a closed fist and just "says" they have a coin in their hand then I don't truly know for sure and it would be an assumption to jump to that conclusion. Yes, as I said I enjoy/love living as everyone has their own bubbles and I find it the best way to. Like lol, if you went around in a dream and started dismissively treating all the dream characters as unreal and fake it wouldn't go down very well. I'm just also very interested in the absolute truth.