James123

After enlightenment, realization happens that this is not a universe, nor you have a body. There is no such a thing as “birth” or “person”. Enlightenment is realization of “I” was never born, began or exist. Now is before birth, so you didn’t go anywhere nor in universe ?

Realization of nothing has ever happened. You are already what you are, which is nothingness, which is not knowing as in the beginning. therefore nothingness can not be “experienced”, can just “be”.Anything that “you” “experienced” is an illusion.

Realization of Now is before birth and nothing has ever happened. “You” didn’t even move and never born. So called “birth” or “universe” happened only as a thought.

@StateOfMind contemplation is must. but enlightenment never cones through thinking. Mind must be dropped.

Yes brother. Nobody is here.

Yes i agree. Thoughts are illusion. You can say no thoughts or no mind. But, not knowing is more profound. Not knowing is what “being” is, same as before so called “birth”. When you not know, what is a thought? What is mind? What is attachment, death, or life? Nothingness can not be “experienced” (because “I” and “experiencing “ is still a thought) can just “be” ( being is just being, there is no question nor answer).

The “sense” is a still “thought “.

What is existence? Is it your direct realization or Is it something that you have “learned”as “yourself”? The real question is if you never learn (including your so called birth), can you born? There is no such a thing as compassion or acceptance, which is learned by so called human, (even word of “human” is learned). Anything you have learned is not a direct realization, do not trust anything that you have learned, including “yourself” (learned that too). Putting meaning, naming and labeling the thoughts just a distraction (including saying words to “words”, thoughts to “thoughts “). When you forget everything “you” know (including “yourself”) thats how you become the “truth”. Thats why you meditate to not know or forget everything that you have learned which can be called as empty mind vs.. I am just what i am. ☺️

Do you think that these are words? You are in life and in the forum talking to others? ? All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain? Buddha You have never born, never began. Just so called thoughts. Not even. You have a long way to go brother. Just surrender the belief of “I”. Peace!

Yes. Now, “you” are collection of thoughts. Which is identification, naming, labeling and putting meaning on thoughts and words, even saying words to “words”, thoughts to “thoughts “ as “reincarnation “. You need a direct realization of who you really are. Which is enlightenment or direct realization. Only when you not know, you are what you are. Thats why you don’t remember before so called birth, thats what “being” is.

Of course brother. Whatever makes you happy. “I” already have lost everything that connects ego to life. Otherwise, of course it is very hard for ego to surrender. But believe it, when you really, really let go the ego, and realize what you are, ego becomes more sharper than that knife, more painful and suffering. When you lost everything you are free to do anything. Fight Club. Much love! Peace!

Definitely. After some time, if you keep observing, “you” realize that “observer” itself is a thought, as “reincarnation “. You are already what you are. ?. Just identification with so called thoughts makes you so called “separate “ (identification again with naming and labeling word of “separate” or “word”).

Just a thought. There is no such a thing as reincarnation, life nor death. You are already what you are. Just thought process makes it cloudy. Let the clouds go with surrendering the thoughts, most importantly belief of “I”.

It is simple and direct brother. I am already what i am. Rest is just a thought. Love is not forceable. Surrender. Than Become it.

“Physical body” is a thought itself, as “birth” and “death “. Now is before “birth”. “Your so called life” is just a thought process. Now is not knowing, as same as after “death” or before “birth”. When not knowing takes places, “you” get the answer.

Unfortunately, these unwanted feelings, suffering, expectations vs.. comes from so-called “I”. Let go and surrender the belief of “I”, such as “life”. You are already what you are. Life is suffering. Buddha

“You” are just a thought process, instead of living creature. (“Living creature” is s thought again). @StateOfMind @Breakingthewall @Username There is no body. Enlightenment is realization of “birth “ is just a thought. “You” have never “born” nor have a “body”, just a thought process, not even. Because even saying thoughts yo “thoughts “ is naming, putting meaning and labeling the so called “words”.

When enlightenment happens, so called “mind” doesn’t come back. Because the so called “person” has never “born”.

@BipolarGrowth you can experience infinitY. However, anything that “you” “experience “ including “infinity “ is a still dream. Not enlightenment.

@Shunyata Ego is so called “belief of an I”. Willingly let go and surrender everything for truth. You are the “nothingness”. Ego is just a “thought “ as “life, not even. Life is suffering. Buddha

Nirvana or enlightenment is realization of nothing has never happened (birth, death, universe, infinite, life vs just happens within the process of thoughts, which is naming, labeling and putting meaning on the words and thoughts. Even saying thoughts to “thoughts “, words to “words”). Unfortunately, conversations quoted above is just the story of ego. Because, ego is alive (just a thought as a thought ), not You. ? There is no life nor death, you are already what you are. ? Additionally, do you guys think that these are conversations or words or you are alive and talking in forum? If answer is “yes”. It is because “you” “think”. ? Thats what so called “ego” and so called “self” is. ? There is no “you” nor “thinking” , Now is before birth. This is the Truth. Definitely ?✊ All is “nothingness”, which is You.

“You” can “experience “ infinity. Because i f you dont know what is infinite, how can you know that you have “experienced “ “infinity “. Many people experience nothingness with psychedelics, but because of the thought process still continues, you can never really really become nothingness. Nothingness can not be “experienced”, can just “be”. Because only when you “not know”, you can be nothing. And thats what the awakening is. Enlightenment is freedom, if you talking about bliss as freedom. Yes it is. Flawlessness, effortlessness. You are already what you are, instead of “you” are having “sex”, let go of the thought of “self”, and be the “sex”. 1000 times more feeling than as average person do. With an empty mind, be it directly. Because it is not “sex”, it is you (same goes for “love”).

Dont you think that these all knowledge comes from the “human”, (every word you know, every knowledge you have, including yourself as body and being in universe, exploring infinity or yourself as god vs..) ? The so called “human” learned what infinity, paradise, you and explorer is. If the “human” is just a thought, how can you trust or take granted the knowledge its has been learned (including word of “learning”)? If you are just yourself, is learning possible? Or what is possible or learning?

@Max1993 sure brother. ?

@Bodhitree god can not be experienced, learned, know, understand, felt, touched or sensed. With dropping everything (including “yourself”), can just “be”. as before so called “birth”.