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Leo actualized.org of course Mooji Eckhart Tolle Sadhguru

I did the test too, very interesting. Thanks @Pyrrhocorax graculus for your comments.

Well, she saw me the other day sitting on the couch with my legs crossed and she sat next to me in the same position. Kids imitate everything.

@Ayla You are right... I will work on that. Thanks!

Does that means that if we are fully enlightened we will see everything the same way @Sarah_Flagg explained here? I'm really confused Lol

@Ayla I have to sit and meditate more. Mr. Mind cannot understand yet Lol... And I really feel everything you are saying is true, but is like... i can't find the way to cross "the Gateless Gate"

I'm going crazy just reading this, Im always scared of going crazy. What can I do @Leo Gura to overcome that?

Good to know, what will we do without @Leo Gura ??? I have no clue about what kind of experience is real or not. :-P

@TruthSeeker I was in a mental hospital for some time due to some panic attacks and other some psychotic episode. I meet people there that made me change my opinion about a guy who murder, rape or did some other bad thing, I really now think that they are not guilty really. hehehe... Same thing about people who commit suicide. One of the guys I met, he told me, he had problems with violence. When something happened inside of him, he got so angry he couldn't stop and he could kill someone when that happened. That's not his will to do it, there's something on the environment, on the way they were educated, etc that makes them act that way. You say something about that. I used to think like you before, that everything that they say (I heard it mostly from psychologists and psychiatric doctors) that a rapist or murdered is not really guilty and I though "bullshit", he must go to jail. Believe me that this is not about wanting not to take responsibility and wanting to do bad things so we are not guilty. Nothing farther from the truth. But think about this, when someones commits a murder, he goes to jail and if he makes crazy things they send him to solitary confinement. It is proved that people in isolation go crazier, we as human beings need interaction with other to be sane mentally. Now I think that people need to be treated, in jail they get worse. I'm not trying to convince you about free will, just my point of view. I am always open to any new idea so, maybe I can be wrong.

In our search is easy @Sarah_Flagg to fall into tricks of the mind. I found out that the best thing to do is to "do nothing". Lol... Sometimes we wish so much to have an "experience" which will confirm our belief that our minds give us that. Better be safe and go step by step...

I totally agree with @Ayla , IMO they are illusions too and we don't have to play with them. My two cents. You can read about my experience here if you want:

I think the best option for you @Sarah_Flagg is try to focus on your senses, not so much on your mind or having those kind of experiences. I know because I did it too, I had some weird experiences and I took very bad decisions because of them. IMO they are mind tricks, nothing important. Focus on the now.

Maybe a scientific explanation is better for you... http://io9.gizmodo.com/5975778/scientific-evidence-that-you-probably-dont-have-free-will Or here: http://www.livescience.com/19213-free-fate.html "Jerry Coyne, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Chicago, defined free will as the possibility that, after making a decision, you could have chosen otherwise. But a "decision," Coyne argues, is merely a series of electrical and chemical impulses between molecules in the brain — molecules whose configuration is predetermined by genes and environment. Though each decision is the outcome of an immensely complicated series of chemical reactions, those reactions are governed by the laws of physics and could not possibly turn out differently. "Like the output of a programmed computer, only one choice is ever physically possible: the one you made," Coyne wrote."

I really think that being enlightened is seeing the truth.

I would recommend you watching videos on youtube of Mooji. This is his webpage http://www.mooji.org It's good for beginners.

I like his videos about meditation techniques, all of them are really good.

If you read the Bible you will see Jesus talked a lot about self enlightenment, but the ego of those who interpret it didn't understand him. They prefer to "believe" he is the savior and he will save us without us doing nothing. He is the savior, but not in the way they think. When Jesus said "I am the way" it means he did the things to be enlightened and if you follow what he did you will be enlightened too. It doesn't mean that by believing that he is the savior and he died for our sins we will be saved. He talked about denying ourselves, that sounds like killing the ego to me. All his life and dead on the cross is a symbol of the killing of our egos. The people who goes to church and cling to religion still have fear, the religion is fed by fear. They will grow spiritually at some point if they are really meant to be enlightened. I think there's a lot of good people in church, but it's dangerous because you don't grow up there if you accept their dogmas.

I understand, and I ask myself the same thing but I think that this is because I am not enlightened so, I still can't understand some of the stuff, understanding will came later, IMO. But I think about the same everyday.

Really helpful for me too @Emerald Wilkins , thank YOU!

@Emerald Wilkins after that experience I think that I understood that we don't have to force anything. In the beginning I thought that I had to search inside me but I was looking to have some external experience or vision to support my belief. It was just now that I understood that is not searching for anything, it's just becoming more aware of your surroundings and observing reality, not having weird psychedelic experiences. I think we are helping each other with this conversation hehehe... cool. That's what is all this about.

Thanks @Emerald Wilkins, although I arrived to those experiences without the help of any drink or any other thing anyway I feel that I forced my mind to have that experience. And you really helped me realizing I did the same mistake as you said, I made unwise decisions in my life because of that too. I will post something about it in another post. Thanks!!!

Thanks @Trisha for the comments, in my case I never used drugs but I know some people says it can help the process. I think it's better to stay away from them. Thanks for your comments!

I think there's always a relation between the mind and the body, we are training our body to have the experiences we need to be enlightened. It's like a miracle, even if the science some day explain how a miracle is done, in my opinion it will be still a miracle. I'm not sure if I am being clearly enough, it's a bit complicated to understand. Science think that if they explain how the big bang was created, there's no god. Something like that. Even if we know how God works or how things are created, anyway it continues amazing me. :-)

We do not see things as they are. We see them as we are. ~ The Talmud ~

That's awesome @Kyle I hope to experience something like that soon. Cool. :-)