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@Aleksandar I struggle with your problem everyday too. My solution was doing what zen monks do. Try to do what I want to do with total awareness. Focusing on the task and doing it without thinking other thing. I think the key is focus. The mind wants to focus on other stuff more "fun" and distract us. It takes time, but it can be done. I am seeing improvements. I am not going to tell you that is easy, but if you continue doing it you will see the fruits. There's an article about that, how Zen monks find interesting cleaning the temple, cooking and doing the daily chores. http://www.rodalesorganiclife.com/home/what-buddhists-can-teach-us-about-household-chores

I think that judging is like labeling, you are seeing what you want to see, not reality.

@Aware Sounds good to me hehehe...

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/12/post-vr-sadness/511232/?utm_source=atltw Maybe we are evolving to a point where technology will help us to rise our consciousness? What do you think? Here I post some parts of the article, but you can read it complete on the link above. "When Tobias van Schneider slips on a virtual reality headset to play Google’s Tilt Brush, he becomes a god. His fingertips become a fiery paintbrush in the sky. A flick of the wrist rotates the clouds. He can jump effortlessly from one world that he created to another. When the headset comes off, though, it’s back to a dreary reality. And lately van Schneider has been noticing some unsettling lingering effects. “What stays is a strange feeling of sadness and disappointment when participating in the real world, usually on the same day,” he wrote on the blogging platform Medium last month. “The sky seems less colorful and it just feels like I’m missing the ‘magic’ (for the lack of a better word). … I feel deeply disturbed and often end up just sitting there, staring at a wall.”

@Barna Maybe you are close to enlightenment. It's just a matter of time. I can't give you an advice in that situation hehehe... From my perspective it feels like you are already enlightened, but I don't understand why you still don't feel like it.

@Aware Maybe that helps... hehehe... but people will begin to ask? What's enlightenment? A new ice cream flavor???

That's what I was trying to explain... thanks @aware Exactly, I was just wondering if some change can happen from that technology... but there's a big chance that nothing change indeed, I agree.

I would suggest to try to observe your thoughts as much as you can and create a separation from them and the "observer". The more distance there's between your thoughts and the observer or awareness the less possibilities of getting involved in your thoughts thinking that they are you. Try to observe the thoughts as if they are not yours (they are not in reality so... ) :-)

@Neo Governments are as sleep as most of the population. Anyway the experience can help only if you are prepared. If you are not, it can be worst. You can end in a hospital thinking you went crazy.

That's the Key... the disappointment is needed!!!! Once you see that "you" can't do nothing... total surrender comes. And with total surrender maybe enlightenment... who knows? The problem is that people needs training, practice. Otherwise their ego will send them to a big depression before letting enlightenment happen. The ego prefer to destroy us in order to keep him leaving. It's pure evil.

Lol... Omg... I'll do it. I let you know what happens. Or better said, if nothing happens. :-P Before enlightenment Chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment Chop wood and carry water

Thank you for posting, very interesting to share our experiences.

Lol... I will try tonight with meditation your inquiry method. I just did it at work, I began to ask myself as if I were demanding "who am I" and I felt its really powerful. I will do it at home in a better environment. hehehe...

That's really good @cetus56 ! And @Earnothing I feel that the neti neti method is really powerful. I had a no-self experience too with it and at some point I even noticed the blood flowing through my veins, I felt like if I was inside of my body, I was aware of the air entering on my lungs, it was crazy... We just have to continue working without wanting to repeat, as you said. I think cetus advice is awesome, I will do that too.

And now reading again what I wrote, I think we don't need the ego. If we have our identity in our true self, the ego is no needed. Our identity will be our "true identity/nature". The ego is a false identity.

The ego doesn't disappear, I agree that we need it. What we have to do is to stop identifying with it, to see the truth/reality. In fact the ego is an invention of our mind, it was never true. Who was the father of all lies? Who is the one who wants to be in the place of God? The ego takes the identity of our body, thoughts, etc... when is our true nature (god) the true identity of us.

Ego is our identity. In the past in the Bible they call it the Devil, but it's just our ego. https://jacobisrael.com/2012/05/07/mans-ego-is-the-devil/

Nice! Thanks for sharing!

I already told you this but I go here again, sit down and meditate watching your thoughts without paying attention to them.

There's no suffering. We need to learn that. We suffer because we don't accept reality, like a kid suffer when he knows Santa are his/her parents.

this is interesting.... https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/nyc-worker-cooperatives-jobs-increase

I would love to have time to read all this thread. I have to get up early for work tomorrow. I need help creating my new reality Lol... :-) I think this can be helpful, I read it as a Child and I always remember it. I couldn't understand it at that time but now I know what he is talking about. It's a Kahlil Gibran poem http://www.katsandogz.com/oncrime.html

That happens to me everytime, that's why I am not posting as often as before. I feel that words are meaningless. It's very hard to make others understand pov if you don't give them a big "framework" of how did you reach that conclusion. And sometimes the conclusion is so challenging making it imposible to the other accept your pov or understand it.

I think is not a definitive way of seeing for me, but now I am also seeing that not only love is a feeling. It works also like a mechanic thing. Love is logical, if we are one we are supposed to feel love because we are really loving ourselves. Maybe Im wrong...

@sadlabounty Try with any silly painful thing, like when they extract you blood, or when you feel some pain because an accident or simple things. I am not talking about big stuff. But try to begin to become more aware of pain. If you don't try to avoid the pain, if you feel it... try to feel it without thinking, and study what it is. It's not painful. It's a feeling that it's not painful per se, our ego interprets it as painful. I am not so aware to tell you that I don't feel pain, but once you begin to have a little glimpse of this you will understand how yogis "supported" so much pain, or how Buddhist monks get almost naked on frozen water and don't feel anything. They are capable of generating heat with their bodies to not feel the cold water in the mountains.