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Just words, neither is "it" nor "he"... it/he doesn't exists.... John 8:44 "You belong to your father, the devil (it/he/ego), and you want to carry out your father's (ego) desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

He can't... but if there's a body it cannot "see" that there's nothingness. Maybe my question was bad formulated. Unless the body is nothingness.

@Leo Gura In the exercise 1 , I don't get this part But when my finger touches my body, the ego can say... hey! That's me... and that's the problem. We know we are not the body, but we still think we are.

I can handle this, please write about it. :-)

Very powerful @Dodoster Thanks!

Truth resonates when we listen or read about it.

I know the feeling. Same thing here. Maybe I was talking to myself when I told you that.

What is that of you that still remains?

I didn't say that. There's no one to convince, and what is your experience?

@SC GM it seems it have been banned, maybe due to copyright infringement or the user deleted it.

Thanks a lot @Aware this post has clarified me a lot of things "I was thinking". I cannot talk to anyone about these things that you are telling me, because people will think I am nuts. :-P This is what happened to me when I read your post

@Aware Just reading your words generate a big bliss on my body, and I can't read anymore. Lol... What you say sounds so real to me that is scary.

@Aware I feel that true love is found on no-self, or I think is better to call it no-ego. In some chats/posts here I was talking also about a true self, and some users told me I was deluded because there's really nothing. How can you say that intelligence is nothing? We are nothing, our lower self is nothing, but the true self is everything.

@Aware Thanks! I really appreciate your comments! I will meditate on all this.

That's awesome aware. I think I was beginning to understand some parts of it. For example, when you talked about the tree just being a tree. I thought the same thing, the difference is we are aware. But I was feeling that our bodies have something that is capable of perceive that awareness. And animals also are a bit aware, but in a lower level. Right?

To be honest I don't know what enlightenment is and I have no idea why I wrote it anyway. I think it was my ego trying to show he is so "smart". But what I was trying to say was in the first part of my post, that it is possible to have a true experience or a fake one. Sorry!!!

Thanks @aware for the post. Very valuable. I appreciate it a lot. I understand parts of what you are talking because I read a book from the implicate technology center in UK. http://theimplicatetechnologycentre.co.uk/ They published two books with the experiences of enlightenment that they had and wanted to share, and there I learned about the force that reality makes on us and how does it work to make us become enlightened by surrendering to reality. Right now I am beginning to notice how my true self does everything, and that what I thought I was does nothing, it has no power. But sometimes I identify still with the ego, some others with my true self. I see how my body is moved by itself, no one is doing anything. It just happens and it is guided by all those streams you were talking about. But I am still seeking, thanks for sharing again!

I think if your ego believes something, it can happen that you can have a kind of "mystic" experience that can be related to your beliefs/religion/etc.... That's why we have to take the experiences as that, just experiences. Say thanks and continue your path. "Experiences will only lead you to more experiences" (I don't remember the author) :-P Enlightenment is not an experience, it's a shift in consciousness.

It's possible, but I am Christian and I had an epiphany that it was very similar to what Leo described. And I saw or understood things in a way that goes very against the beliefs of the Church. I still consider myself Christian, but I had to go to the mystic christian experiences to understand what was happening to my ego.

@Aware You know this game can't be understood by logic or reasoning. Why don't you share how did you achieved it or tell us your experience so we can take some pointer to get unstuck in this life game? Thanks for your post, it's good to be constantly defying our "logic".

So true... It's not you who is scared, because there's no you

When that happens I always remember "The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao"

Sam Harris is awesome, I like a lot of his stuff. He helped me to understand free will (that we don't have really free will). But... Lol... after the but comes the axe. He thinks that there's something objetive out there, that you can see objectively and there's not such a thing. We can't see objectively, that why direct experience is Key. You can't find the truth if you think that everything out there is true. We can't perceive truth, we have to experience. But, is my subjective opinion. Lol

Sorry, I made I mistake I should have written "Try to do what YOU want to do..." Not "I" Lol