Aakash

@Mu_ how many people are spritually active in your opinion? that love their life simply because their alive. i know non personally.

and so i bring it back to antons message... i'd rather create in unity with others than to create on my own. from my individual spiritual ego talking here- it's more fun in that way. theres no need to become so advance as to do it indiviudally because that takes years and years of learning developing as leo said, some people just aren't capable of that- we all have limits and imperfections ( i, myself i will do it, if i had too, but i'd rather do it with other non dual beings) . its just not viable to run a whole organisation by yourself. its not effective either given the extent of growth an instituion can go through. all foundations are built from people or beings- its always been like that . systematicaly and halocratically - diving into the deep because it would be the first ever. with other organisations etc isha, osho they don't have non dual beings most likely (its an assumption) running their show and thats how devilry or cultish behaviour has spread into their organisations. its only how it should be. people are trying to project their spirituality their just unconscious of it.

the ego needs to conceptualise to be safe, i swear once you realise everything is an illusion, you feel lost and feel like you need a step hold but then you gently relax and you become with things how they are currently. @TheAvatarState you know you were the one of the first people i talked to on this forum, i think i've grown so much ahaha as has everyone

@now is forever yeah thats true, my point is eventually all things turn to cults, its the natural process of egotism. Its neither bad nor good, so i think its a pretty viable plan to use the self-actualised word for devilry use. its just leo doesn't want to it to become that reason because hes consciously trying to defend against it becoming a cult , which is impossible given how low conscious we all are in the spectrum of enligthened masters etc.. we all individual or unitively want to project our spritiuality as a means to feel that spritual connection you should feel anyway with what ever your doing, its whether you see the ego as good or bad, is how you view the situation. thats why i said the pandoras box key belongs to leo, because non us would mind what he decides to do with his business. he has the right to decide , democratically speaking- even though the truth belongs to all of us. its the paradox of enlightenment as winterknight has shown me through his word- imperfection perfection.

do you know for a system to operate it needs a control centre, our brain functions so we can operate in the world of maya (illusion) with the maya itself and thats the intelligence of its design. however it is not the source of our intelligence (this is misconception), the SOURCE is the ourselves, the infinite self. no matter what it is the maya needs the maya to survive and be able to percept itself for duality to occur and the sense of self to seperate to infinity of different objects. THIS is the interconnectedness of life itself

you know in the end, there is no such thing as space, it's just a concept. so its ironic that its not even round or flat lol, but if i had to give my opinion, i've never actually researched this conspriacy intensly. but i watched one video someone posted here and it makes sense that the word earth = land and not even the word earth when they are regarding land as flat it makes total sense. but when you include the hemisphere, statisphere and space. it is round and so that makes sense. its a deterministic of political correctness of how you view "earth". words are confusing, never be friends with them (aakash, 2019)

i don't think were talking about standardising anything; but unity in action under the actualised name, the online videos and leo will still remain as if, its just the principality and nuance topics would be delivered in a detailed manner to individuals specifically tailored to them in their own ways as we understand with spiral dynamics. the dipolma is needed i think to pertain a school of graduation, but to be honest it won't mean much to other people hiring for example, its only valuable to the individuals. From where i stand i'm a fan of antons unity approach to the situation. i'm pretty sure i'm discussing something alot larger than just building schools or other facilities, i'm talking about the infinity of the word "self-actualisation" it's a spiritual fulfillment journey and in my opinion what religion should have been. but its very interesting how fast it can turn into a cult, the only difference is theres never been an organisation ever, that have ever been conscious of the word cult.

seriously the sychronicity is unreal , winter knight is online right now aswell!

consider me mind blown winterknight, i actually understand what your saying on your blog about imperfection, crazy idea lool and what you wrote above about this

i've been doing some contemplation on this and i agree, the foundation of anything that exsist in reality are the people itself, no matter what way you look at it; actualised.org would not be actualised.org with a leo, an aakash , or an anton. this message i sent to you end up being an awakening, because i realised what was actually going on in the world. when the buddah or any of his disciples spread the path of awakening, they did so to stage biege/purple/ red- even to say people were blue at that stage was the highest level (probably were trades of orange ofcourse and green, but very low levels) now your audience has evolved, the level of sophistication has risen and the environment has changed. i would be lying if i said, i wasn't projecting some fantastical viewpoint about some unified goal, however i don't believe its out of the question. meaning is not found in enlightenment, meaning is forged in the fires of passion. enlightenment is actually the disembling of such ideas to the satisfactory nature of reality and seeing the invisible cloak that was once there, but to be honest, i've been searching for non duality and enlightenment my whole life, i just wasn't conscious of the name lol, but now its in sight, i mean i want a unified goal and this is the point i keep trying to raise to the actualised forum. its all well and good doing stuff individually. on the other hand, when every human being in relality becomes enlightened and its only a matter of time, if we don't deplete our resources or adapt into mutants by that time. then the spiral dynamics pendulum swings again, from independant life purposes, to group purposes. in reality all were doing is continuing up the spiral map, just conscious of who we are, nothings changed really. our experience differs, our viewpoints from non dual personel. I swear @winterknight can explain it much better than i can. i consolidated the idea from his piece of work, the notion that if were able to accurately describe our emotions, experiences and memories using a metaphor that links human- human shared experience between two enlightened beings. think about it, what has really happened. their identities are the same, their sensations are the same, the understanding is the bridged because both are able to understand the metaphor. its changing language itself- its a shared expression of the same being. its the healthy stage of turquoise in my opinion. were still developing through these high levels of consciousness. Do you want to know the funniest thing, i didn't even understand winterknights passage until i wrote it out currently in the now, i'm actually mind blown that i'm having two realisations of this scale within two hours of eachother. WOW. anyways, my point has always been unity, a conscious unity, not an unconscious one, a conscious one. my spiritual ego projections if i'm being honest are (this is me as an individual speaking from my heart and my spirit/ spirituality, the child inside of me) Note: the word imperfect, is perfection. - i want to go on an adventure - i want to raise consciousness - i want to be unified as a team as enlightened (unconscious/ conscious beings) - i want my life purpose to be helping others - the world is perfect, yet i want change, its also imperfect for a reason, so we can each be unique - i want to motivate people to realise their potential - i want to talk about the falsetruth (the map- not the terratory) - i want to laugh like the buddah - i want to be spritually engaged in the now - i want to see infinity, yes i want to see infinity (not me- US) - i want there to be a world for future generations to explore conscious, to live in duality -i want to learn about whats next in this crazy game of catch me and meaning Spoiler: i know leo has said it many times, but i've experienced it- there is no life and death once you realise how totally empty it all, no i have not completely died to the truth, but i'm working my way there. so we are always forced to live the life in duality and this is where we switch between individuality to duality , me to them, you to us , i to we. Survival of the self (ego) , survival of the self (collective ego) , transcended survival of self (spiritual ego) , transcended survival of self( enlightened ego) . These are the four distinctions that the spiral dynamics integrates. ego literally just means the sense of self, all dualistic notions are therefore two poles of the same truth and false, pure and impure, Fuck it @winterknight you explain this shit- i actually get what you mean and i'm mind blown right now. disclaimers - first time contemplating this, went totally offtopic from my original work, this is direct self inquiry currently, OKAY i need to stop.

although i accept what you have said here, that maybe actualised.org or self actualisation has grown bigger than just yourself as a collective ego lets call it. not in a negative way, but i'm just being realistic about what it actually is if you were to make it into a thing. Have you not considered that like the moderators, other members of the ego would like to get involved? like @Anton Rogachevski for example, the ideology is the infinite, but it always needs an umbrella name to hide behind whether that be zen,buddism, hinduism, bhraman , allah , jesus, they all had the meaning of the infinite behind. You've made us understand that the word self-actualisation also means the same thing. self-actualisation -"the realization or fulfilment of one's talents and potentialities, especially considered as a drive or need present in everyone." this is what google defines as self-actualisation self -realisation is - "fulfilment of one's own potential." by google definition you recontextualise the word in my definition to mean .... "to find ones true nature" now i can't speak for others about what they think that word means. but i think this is the umbrella term that anton is thinking about when he means a actualised academy. he just didn't know what other way to articulate it. nonetheless thats besides the point. the point i think you have to contemplate is ... as synchonicity goes via infinite intelligence. you yourself said you couldn't push out the large amount of content and will take your whole life explaining it. to be honest, i personally have my own plans to persue. however, if i may speak on behalf of others. maybe they actually want to adopt the self actualised flagship. they either want to directly help you or they want to do something for themselves. LETS NOT HIDE ANYTHING, You've opened pandoras box, you yourself know this. You bridged the gap between science and non duality to a satisfactory level in 21 century terms, in my books thats the bodhisattva thing you did right there. you know it yourself. lets not kid ourselves, i don't know what other people grasp when you mention the words you starting a religion. for those that know the truth in non duality terms.. like i said pandoras box is opened now. the brand itself, i think is much bigger than yourself. if you don't feel ready then so be it, as a collective ego, nobody should move, everyone should just keep on doing their own thing. you've built up a non-dual platform, everyone's who's conscious is pretty much going to accept your decision and then move on like nothing happened. anyways i'm not looking for a response, i'm saying meditate on it. the key to pandoras box is in your hands. i'm sure buddah knew what a cult was lol @Leo Gura

what draws the human race to the stars, galaxy to the microcosm (viruses and bacteria) and beyond to the infinite. that is our quest for curiosity , a single question with a infinite number of answers and vice versa. an infinite number of questions with a single answer. there was a villian in a tv show i watched that had the magic power of instantaneously creating anything he imagined into reality. the only way to defeat him was for him to imagine his own defeat, it was the fear he created by himself when someone managed to oppose, quite obvious defeat and for that one second, they imagined they could lose and that same outcome was imagined. my point is: before i was ignorant that when enlightened people came together, they don't know what they are exactly. but they realise who they are. this is one question in the infinite game. i cast my projections that something would change, through some kind of group contemplation, but this won't work. i now think we have to tap into the uniqueness of each individuals experiences, memories and other forms of human aspects to delve deeper into the infinite, even after enlightenment. maybe? mastery of something and delve deeper with the correct knowledge of who we are as an entire human race. so are we limiting our own self with our own minds, new questions - new possibilities.

emotions are easy to get attached to, they play a small percentage of the part. i've learnt the word feeling and emotions are different. i can't give you an accurate description why, because i haven't contemplated it. but i would say from a gut perspective is feeling you only need on a gut level or just the feeling to be satisfied, with emotions you need it to be a certain way, you need it to have certain characteristics and traits. its pretty conditional in the end. i.e i feel happy today i'll make some music, i feel sad today, i'll leave the music until tomorrow. whereas a feeling is granted in the present moment, you have no mind-thought, no emotions just a feeling you need to go this particular direction, or do this particular thing. so for example, i'm starting to have this feeling that i want to open up a school. it started off with mind thought, it has not been improved through emotions, but over the last months it's turned into a feel, i feel comfortable around and would like to persue. its a pretty unrealistic target if you asked me honestly, but its more the feeling in trying to cultivate, momentarily. these are the types of feelings you should move forward with, theres a sort of itamacy you feel with reality, when these sorts of statements are produced; like a feeling of "everything is going to be alright" you could use inspiration as a booster but i always say inspiration is internal as opposed to external. your trying to express the individual infinity that is wisebaxter, isn't that enough? there doesn't need to be a million reasons why. just to be an expression of the infinite. you should speak to @ivankiss he does music also and is pretty passionate about it. i'm sure he wouldn't mind helping you, hes got alot of love for the infinite.

@Wisebaxter its a singularity we all pass through on actualised.org, which could be addressed, but alas its our own reality and suffering we create and in our face. The path to enlightenment and finding a life purpose are paradoxical to each other in notion a) you get some people that are lucky i would say, but lucky isn't the right word, they just know what they want, which is great for them, they have found their passion for something and i encourage it wholesomely i.e @ivankiss and @ajasatya are two individuals i know that have definately found this. or b) people like me and you who are creating passions out of thin air, if you don't have anything. so it becomes a game we play with our thoughts and head instead of a realisation we play with our emotions and feelings. its awakening on the level of mind, that you THINK this would be right. when it needs to be something that you feel. most people aren't in tuned with their emotions, they either neglect or fail to interpret them correctly and get attached to them. where they love something they would die for it. i had this realisation yesterday when ajasatya posted a video about awakening on the heart, mind and gut level. so do you feel music with your emotions and feelings or with your mind?

right meaning you make yourself, without becoming attached to it. just doing something out of love or passion for something desires and wants are needlessly unconscious to the unenlightened, no matter what way you go backwards if your not confortable not staying where you are. but we still need to live, which is what leo is trying to say. always put enlightenment work second, i'm lucky in the sense i'm currently an older student, so i have reversed the equation currently out of pure luck, but i would always do it the other way around if need be. enlightenment is a long game in my opinion, well so far its been that experience for myself. its long confusing and really i realised today is the greatest thing you can ever do with your life. before today i really was social justice warrior, fighting for anything. creating boundaries of good vs evil. until after leo's first cult video and now i've let it go. really i see that the greater jihad is the real deal, so you can look it at one of two ways a) greater jihad- relocate all resources to completing it - which will require you to give up alot of things b) lesser jihad- wants and needs of adequancy for the given time hope there are some points you could take away from this

@Anton Rogachevski do you honestly say that from a position of good vs evil or just a responsible action you wish to take yourself? personally i'm with you that actualise.org can go far, but this is the opposite to what leo would like. were quite conscious people in the sense, we've done our work and we can confidently say we won't use it for devilry. however other people will since they haven't gone through a spiritual purification so per say. so i would say also you should ask leo first and if hes on board, i'm good to help you aswell in what ever means, whenever i can. i'm quite adept with biology and anatomy so i would always be happy to create classes etc . for other people who wish to learn. just as i would like to hope, someone could teach me conscious programming. i know there are many people here who code, but conscious coding i think is related to problem solving from a holisitic point of view is what i would like to learn and be coached

i commend the thought, but it sounds abit wishy washy given the current time period were in; but at the same time, i won't lie that its the perfect era to bring it in. in spiral dynamics green is the stage you kinda pass through however, its only easily passed once you understand the limitations, and right now people are adding dualistic terms against everything. so its perfect timing but also too early to embed into mainstream culture in my opinion, if your just looking at transforming the lives of lets say 300 people each year then i would say its viable, not sure about the free coaching. but on a mass scale we've still got a while to go. NOne the less, i do still like the idea

the map is not the territory; so anything ideologically created in the map i.e you should follow enlightenment to be happy is false ideology, but great insight!

paranormal/ psychic abilities is the next step no matter how i view it lol.

if ones of us dies , another one pops up- it's a never ending cycle. there is no death or even life lol, but the quest continues to know the self deeper and deeper. its like i once said, the bodisattvas come up with a foundation on lay for others- to reach the heavens. we are literally building a ladder to the inifnite which is probably why we have so many heirarchichal structures. we don't even know what were looking for - were just looking for the emotions of success and what not. but on a deeper level its like were self-actualising the infinite itself. a never ending search.. so everything is technically good. lol! so whats the point of stopping if your not going to set a foundations or help others reach heaven. so yes curiosity killed the cat, because there was either self-hate or hate from others in opposition to the idea of change. no matter what way i look at it- someone has to develop pshycic abilities and that will change the whole structure of humanity lol, so try to develop psychic powers if your going to do nothing but search for the infinite

its the stance i take with my vision to open up a school one day. the only thing we can do for eachother is give halocratic thinking and personal development together, nothing to do with actualisation and enlightenment at this current period of time. unfortunately any generation above the age of 14 is not viable for this type of academy because they are always stuck in their way and lack the sufficent knowledge to distinguish from ego vs non ego due to their own reality. so at best you can only learn to teach children below this age bracket to generate holcratic thinking to improve their chances of searching via curiosity. the same way in which we all do. this is the key feature here.. developing curiosity.. all other skills are to just complete this search. leo makes people take 5-MEO to develop curiosity. me as an individual i was just curious purely because nobody could find the answer and i just thought - right whats the hardest thing i can choose to do , just give that a try. in the end its a collective search for what to do next ... and the only way i think is through a young generation who can take resposibility from a young age.

its more like you haven't even seen the 10,000 humans, you think thats what you've seen. but its just yourself reoccuring over and over again with subtle differences i.e skin colour

i was watching your videos , your explaination of things is deep , straight cut and quite frankly cuts through quite abit of the mental load

what is your definition of ignorance?

@winterknight thank you