Aakash

@Joseph Maynor honestly i wasnt even talking about this gguy specifically, i was only talking about in general because energy is still an object if you think about it

LOL i swear opening kundalini has nothing to do with enlightenment any way, aren't they two seperate things lol, because kundalini is included in the whole of reality lol, enlightenment is outside.

@ahmad ibdah the self as a brain is a materialistic problem, god decieves himself into thinging its a seperate self by creating the identification with a finite form i.e a human, a cat, a toad these are all finite identifications god is all powerful and most people can't comphrehend how powerful being all powerful is and so they automatically limit themselves and especially the brain/ mind limits all powerful to materialistic paradigm i.e god needs a brain to live

@ajasatya @Highesti think sometimes i'm just too skeptical because i don't want to fall into a trap for years, so i always need someone else to reconfirm what i have experience, i think you both, so i will trust both your words that i'm not going crazy and in two different realities, but its just the process and me coming into contact with my true self, i will let go of my mental boundaries like you said, it can't be anything else but god anyway,

@ajasatya yeah but what would that do?

@Highest i see so you let it take over you and your true being shone through to your human self, well all your infinite qualities came through, so i have to wait?

@Highest but god IS everything, so you are both the witness and the person making the decision, so you detached from the situation 100%, me= god= god witnessing = me witnessing by witnessing it is your true self witnessing but to me if you let go of the character its like you said you are not involved anymore! doesnt this part feel like a disconnection, so the witness is the true self

@ajasatya i agree with your picture thats what it feels like but for me, it feels like there's two different realities going on at once, one the witness and the other the world of impermanence going on at the same time, for example, none of my thoughts, body sensations are me, they are the interconnectedness of reality so when you feel like you are observing it does it not feel like you are split and in a different reality, i guess you don't but identification feels like a completely different ball park to just comparing too things, when it feels like a split reality it feels like i personally have no control over the motive of the story, the world where thoughts are arising in awareness is seperate from the world where thoughts are happening iwth the hman and being said

@Highest but doesn't the witnessing of your every action and for example going for a shower, your watching yourself, aware of yourself going for a shower, is there not a disconnection between the two realities, or in fact they are two different states of consciousness,

@Highest if this is true and this is the witness conscious or conscious of consciousness as god, don't you feel like you are disconnected from life?

i agree with this because there's no recongition of there not being a seperate self so the witness consciousness is the true self what do you make of this then? this is where i am at, but there seems to be a cognative disfunction because your identification is with two things, not one you can't be the watcher and then have god working seperately from yourself aswell as you can't be god watching god's finite being because thats two different consciousnesses occuring simulatenously when there is only really one consciouss in this state you have both human consciousness and god consciousness, but in reality there's no such thing as human consciousness, the human body would be moving by itself as all forms are interconnected and you have to let go to this idea, but you can't also be the one witnessing i haven't worked out the paradox completely but i have a gut feeling theres something untrue about this.

@ajasatya every time i think its over, theres still more to go, which parts are right and how is it wrong? and then what is the truth of the matter

@Leo Gura out of curiosity, did you make all these insights when you took the individual self out of the equation i.e the belief that you are a seperate self and then you kinda see the whole of reality before you(intelligent design) because its happening by itself, then finding an absolute truth after enough hours of contemplation.

@Anton_Pierre i see so it didn't stay with you for a little while, if i'm being honest, my gut feeling is telling me that this is only a belief for you because you heard leo's last video about everything being perfect and that god's everything. but i could be wrong, did you do a practice to get the result?

@Anton_Pierre life is a mind fuck , lets go over this have you had time adjusting to witness consciousness, its been two days for me, but i came back to human identification for now because i wasnt sure about the paradox, do you feel disengaged with life, that's how it felt for me because you are only witnessing and i dont think enlightened people feel like that

yeah i would recommend contemplating with a book at first for everyone because it comes with practice to juggle paradoxs in your brain without notes,because you have some of the infinite variables already contemplated have you contemplated regular topics, or do you only contemplate non dual topics i.e ethics, economics, polotics , self improvmet

@Anton_Pierre yeah but do you really have the correct lens for the camera in the first place ?

@Pouya the conceptualisation is probably causing you problems because you are trying to become enlightened as soon as possible, your true self wants to find out who it is, but you haven't given yourself time to contemplate the nuances of the wisdom that has been put before you. Immediately you take it on as belief and this is where it pains you later because you have not considered the infinite variables and the paradoxes at play here. A good place to start would be to see the duality in things first before considering they are non dual and illusory i.e humans hate and humans love, but are hate and love different or similar things, where does hate come from, is hate the opposite of love and love the opposite of hate before you start concluding with hate is the same as love, there is no such thing as love, these are advitta traps that people get into, once in a while, because they haven't considered the nuance of the topic and because they aren't wrong about calling everything illusory, but they don't consider that the illusory is existant as everything else. also i would recommend spending more times on the practices as opposed to looking at actualised.org, just do it for a month, don't come on here and just get a good grounding of where you at, what you know to be true, what you know is a belief and go again from there. that way you will engage with your direct experience only.

@Anton_Pierre this is where i am at, but there seems to be a cognative disfunction because your identification is with two things, not one you can't be the watcher and then have god working seperately from yourself aswell as you can't be god watching god's finite being because thats two different consciousnesses occuring simulatenously when there is only really one consciouss in this state you have both human consciousness and god consciousness, but in reality there's no such thing as human consciousness, the human body would be moving by itself as all forms are interconnected and you have to let go to this idea, but you can't also be the one witnessing i haven't worked out the paradox completely but i have a gut feeling theres something untrue about this.

back story so through the identification with a human, and for the survival of the human being we think we are, the human being lie, steals, attaches, loves partially, is inauthentic. However, once you have found your true self, the awareness then bringing those qualities of awareness back through the human vessel and purging the subconscious into reidentifying with the correct self, the true self. true conscious + true human empahthy true consciousness + true human compassion true consciousness + true love the typical human in all its way the ego you created gets transcended, meaning enlightenment should purge your every cell, it has to because all the deciet you created for yourself, is the world of karma you thought by identifying with the self,including the other self-delusions you've picked up by believing in belief of others. as the true self, there would be no need to lie, no need to for anything really, not even the title human or anything else this is the nuerosis picked up by those who have witnessed no self, but have not completely explored all the facets to god, as rupert would say waking up on the level of heart and not just the mind for example. question this means although the human world does not exist, as awareness the main finite form you are in is human, so living in the world as a human without identifying with it, with your true self qualities would be what an enlighten master takes years to perfect can someone help me understand this better or give any additional information on this topic,

lol the self doesn't go anywhere it was just an idea, the belief that you are a human named alphaabundance is only a belief and so the idea dissappears into thin air upon death theoretically. ofcourse theres also the real point that it never existed in the first place, so it never happened and there is no death.

@DrewNows don't get the wrong idea, i'm not critising it, i'm complimenting it lol, just in slang

you will only understand if you understand what it means to be a self first

@Joseph Maynor lol neither of you did, you are both just expressing your points of view , but if i had to choose one it was obviously seratonin ahaha! cya joseph

this makes so much sense now, however, its like i said joseph, your arguments are always a mixing of both worlds together, whilst other people are here to completely eradicate their sense of self, they are too seperate issues altogether, where you wouldn't take your sarcassm or the fact you wrote the issue in a way that basically the only answer was yes as an issue but others do but seriously, as literally everyone does lol i guess its a defense mechanism but thats something every human being in the world does, especially when they get info bombed and can't be bothered to reply appriopriately, they break it down into smaller chunks of understanding @Serotoninluv thats actually crazy wording for sarcasm lol