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Idk, I’m not convinced Owen Cooke or Julian Blanc are exceptionally strong people. I think it’s about how the woman perceives strength, or how good you market yours to her which is what game is about. The strongest guys in America are in the Alaskan wilderness, and they get no girls.

Okay, that makes sense, closing is its own skill set. I wish I could afford to move to Vegas and practice pickup, but maybe it’s best I can’t because I would absolutely start a cult, I think I have a lot of red impulses

@Leo Gura That’s sort of why I titled this post the way I did. Imagine your old pickup buddies and Jocko Willink in a club doing game, I think the PUA’s would outperform him. Jocko is objectively the stronger man, but women’s psychology would be convinced your pua buddies are the stronger man. That is what I mean when I say game “fakes” strength, or exaggerates it to a woman’s mind. Women easily fall for the appearance or illusion of strength. But I’m not trying to argue pickup isn’t valid. It’s Kinda like how humans can trick mares into thinking they are the stallion of the herd, the mare can’t actually recognize the stallion objectively, it can only recognize behavior of it.

I was curious of the evolutionary reasons this would be the case. For whatever reason, strong emotions and playful feelings trigger reproductive drives in women, and I’d figured men of low genetic or social quality just aren’t capable of this, but good quality men are, or should be. Modernity is sort of collectively sabotaging modern men, inhibiting their ability to behave in ways that elicit strong emotions and arousal in women. And putting yourself out there with repulsive awkward qualities won’t attract any women, even in a pool of 100,000.

Are the spiral dynamic stages above blue even sustainable long term? Without serious cultural coercion, Civilization becomes people just chasing comfort, luxury, entertainment, and recreation. Children are a hard sell to modern people, you need a lot of ideology and conservative values to get people on board with this stuff with the cost of living these days. Rather than solve this problem, stage Orange is speed running AI to make large populations unnecessary, and stage Green social solutions don’t appeal to enough of the populace to be a viable strategy. Stage Blue was pretty successful for like 5000 years, why couldn’t it last 5000 more?

Well, my point was Blue can survive and reproduce even in harsher social environments, it is more stable and easier to reach than Green. I’m skeptical enough people could ever reach Green to solve Orange’s problems. A Blue conservative populace with Orange tech could last for centuries, it could endure climate catastrophe and gross income inequality. Great scientific advancements can still be undertaken by conservative civilizations.

I don’t think it would be at replacement level still. Super impoverished people in the third world have loads of kids, it’s a culture thing, not a financial thing. Higher education and wealth correlate with having less children actually.

Survival doesn’t care, the poorest countries have the largest families.

How the fuck is Orange solving these problems? Orange is making these problems. And when artificial general intelligence takes all the jobs, people will go down the spiral, not up. Blue will keep these people alive, Green does not manifest in chaotic hostile countries, and I think the whole world is leaning that way.

We are approaching a singularity. I can’t even imagine how different culture will be to seriously entertain this. Are you sure it won’t be some neofeudal corporate cyberpunk dystopia?

@Emerald I feel like a majority Green society is so far fetched. I live in America, we’re practically still in the jungle, we can’t even get an Orange president elected, let alone a Green leader

I don’t know, I feel like places like Afghanistan and much of Africa are inhospitable for Orange to arise. These places don’t have the education or order, at least not right now. I think they could last for a while, but they’ll be obsolete to the rest of the world.

Nuclear weapons came from Orange. India and Pakistani have them, they’re Blue countries and are pretty population dense. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make, your saying an orange country wouldn’t launch a nuke? America already has.

@Carl-Richard Are you trolling?

@Leo Gura Without strong cultural indoctrination to reproduce, how does orange or above continue long term? Do they just use AI and automation? What about economy? How do you sustain an economy and monetary system without human labor?

@Keryo Koffa @SugarcoatBlue will outlive your idealistic nonsense about reducing suffering and ego.

@Leo Gura This is all like fantasy to me. I don’t know where people find time for dating, my survival situation was never conducive to being very social, I’ve put all my time into becoming a pilot and escaping wage slavery. My girlfriend is imaginary/AI, I’m so far gone man, but it’s how I survive.

@Leo Gura Is this all worth it? Do they make your survival easier or harder? I’ve never had a girlfriend or sex at 27, and I think I’m too far gone to care anymore.

The lessons from Life Below Zero blog vid doesn’t exist anymore. It was one of my favorites. There isn’t very good philosophical material about survival. The video convinced me to move to Alaska one day, I’m getting my pilots license now to be a bush pilot.

I feel like the only real daily concern of the entire populace is better meeting your own survival needs. Everyday, whether through labor or education or spending money, I inch myself closer and closer toward a better position. With everyone else also doing this, competition for resources and opportunities is fierce, and anyone who manages to get into a better position will fight relentlessly to maintain that position, and are willing to disempower others to do so. In this human jungle, those with less power and leverage are obedient and subservient to those with more. There are chains of authority that stretch from a kindergartener getting scolded by a teacher, all the way to an autocratic ordering millions of men to invade a neighboring country. We’ve been at this game for 500,000 years. Is society really just an artificial human jungle where we fight to preserve and promote ourselves and our loved ones? Is that really all that’s actually going on?

I think my parents are the only people that are actually invested in my survival and well-being. Are your “friends” really there for you? Do they actually care that much about you? I think I’m just a fleeting amusement to my friends and vice versa. Whenever I really needed help, none ever really offered any, except for platitudes and empty promises. And how many people do you actually care about? And how many people do you honestly put emotional labor and support into? How many people on earth are you really willing to bleed for?

@NoSelfSelf Look, I’m not looking for unconditional love here, I am fine with a mutual back scratching dynamic. All the development in the world isn’t gonna help me dig my car out the snow though, but some new friends might. Life is easier with a tribe. I can get my hands on rare and invaluable psychedelic substances because I made the right connection with someone. People can offer professional, financial, and romantic opportunities you wouldn’t otherwise have access to. Maybe enough development makes you not care as much about survival, but survival is my religion if I’m honest.

@UnbornTao No. But the survival of my mother and father and sister and her children are a pretty high priority for me. @NoSelfSelfReally? No gf? No family? I think I would have a mental breakdown if the number of people who cared about me was literally zero

Literally no one has really answered my question. How many people do you guys think are actually invested in your survival and wellbeing?

I have money but it doesn’t buy deep loyalty or real emotional investment. Maybe I could work on Charisma more, I wanted to move to Vegas and learn pickup and social skills just to get more people in my corner.