Sempiternity

Thanks for this. I did high doses of Ayauasca a few times. Each was pure magic. I went deep and felt like I was home and one with everything. But, immediately after coming back, nothing had changed for me. The next feeling afterwards, was frustration. Right now, 5-meo is my golden ticket, that can actually change my life (getting rid of the 'I'). It's something to look forward to. It gives me Hope. But my biggest fear of doing it, is that, like Ayauasca, after doing it nothing will have changed. It will be just another great experience. Then I have no more golden ticket, no more hope of things changing. But, most everything I've learned about 5-meo says that is would most likely not be the case. I guess I wanted to hear some person accounts of how the two compare. Looking forward to finally experiencing what everyone says about 5-meo.

@Leo Gura. Isn't the goal to be the nonduel infinite void? How is that a negative? How can "retaining" be an issue, when this infinite void is us, is consciousness, is reality?

@Leo Gura what is the reasoning for not letting people know? Is it something about it being too risky for your average person to experiment with? More dangerous than 5-meo? Not a good tool, as one blacks out, instead of experiencing? I'm just curious on the reasoning of withholding.

Oh, and what was your "heavy dose" dosage? Just curious.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm getting ready for my first trip and have been thinking a lot about writing "suicide" notes. For me to be able to fully surrender, I have to be willing to actually die. This means no holding on to the hope of coming back. That hope could prevent me from fully letting go. If I say goodby to my family, they will think I've gone crazy and committing suicide. If I did die during the experience, it would be a shitty thing to do to my family to just die of a drug overdose. So the best option is to write everyone a goodbye letter. This allows me to be ready for full surrender and no holding on to 'my life'. Then if all goes well (which statistically it should), I can just throw them away and tell everyone in person.

How can a computer become conscious when it is already consciousness? So for an AI to act like we think it should (like us), it would have to have an Ego. If it was fully Nondual, it wouldn't interact with us. So we would have to make it have separate thinking and an Ego. Then this AI would run into the same Egoic issues we all do.

Only semi related to the conversation, but the most enlightened person I personally know, I mean he's high up there on the enlightenment scale, has hands down the worst diet I've ever seen. He avoids all fruits and vegetables. He only eats fast food, the cheapest crap in the frozen foods section of Safeway. Eats cheap cookies and ice cream every day. He's 55 and looks and is active like he's 35. He's slender and muscular, but has never worked out a day in his life. It's quite baffling.

@Leo GuraCould you says bit more about this 'Ego Backlash' that an occur when you reach God-consciousness?

@Privet thank you, this covered many of the questions I had. A bit rambling and unfocused, but great he covered the many facets of post enlightenment.

@Leo Gura seems like most all of your videos and teachings are focused on pre-enlightenment, or leading up to enlightenment. Then there are many videos on how to reach a Nonduality state. But there doesn't seem to be videos on post-enlightment. If realizing one is God/Infinity/Truth, and that you do not exist, and there is no anything, as it's all an allusion that you can wake from, is not full Enlightment. And there are actually, as you say, many depths and levels to enlightenment one must learn to reach permanent Nonduality Enlightenment (I'm assuming that's the main goal?). Then could you please do a video covering all these many depths and levels? How does one one attain a permanent Nondualistic state? How does one that is fully enlightened opperate in the world? Would they even be able to? Would they need to retain some Ego to opperate in the world, cause in a total Nondual state there would be no separation of anything? And if so, then it sounds like one could never be fully Nondual and interact in the world, is that how it works? If it is possible, how could a person who has no Ego interact in the world? How would they interact with others? How could they navigate any kind of relationships with others, with no Ego? The deeper one goes up these levels of enlightenment, do they typically find it harder and harder to be in society? What are the pifalls, traps, desired outcomes of each of these levels? I think it'd be very helpful to have this area fleshed out. I know once I do 5-Meo and hopefully have my Ego and Identy disappear, become Nondual, know Infinity/Truth; afterwards, info like this would be invaluable. After waking up from an enlightenment experience, once the Ego starts seeping back in, it would be nice to know how to retain this state. Having the knowledge to navigate post-enlightenment and all the many different levels of enlightenment, Knowing what are the highest levels, would all be immensely valuable. Anywho, hope you consider it. Would love to hear your thoughts on this possibility.

@Leo Gura I personally wouldn't want this info for mental masturbation or a fantasy excuse not to do the work, but to have for when I do have that huge Nondual experience. Would be nice to know what to do after. To not just fall back into all the Ego illusions again. I'm more than willing to fully surrender (me, my beliefs, my life). Just want to know how to navigate the rest of 'my' life after the leap into the abyss.

Wow, I've never read someone explain this as well as you just did. Makes even more sense now. Thanks!

From what I understand (which grated isn't much), the answer is yeah, kinda. There is no you. So there is no you/spirit, that goes on after you die. You are God/Infinity/The Absolute. You are everything and everyone. And everything that has ever happen and will ever happen, is happening (or more accurately Not happening), all right Now. So you(God) are everyone person, animal, plant, insect, planet, that has ever been, and will ever be. So in a way, that could be seen as reincarnation. Certainly closer than the religions or science, to the Truth.

If all there is is Infinity/Truth/Consciousness. And 'one' can discover/remember that they are this everything/nothing/God. Which means none of us actually exist. So there is no free will of any of us, since none of us exist. And all there is is this infinite intelligence/God creating a dream. So 'us' working towards getting 'enlightened' is all this dream/hallucination. There is no work, and there is no awakening, as there is no one to awaken? All that can happen is God remembering it is God, because it forgot. Do I have that right? Did it create the dream of individual humans, create their Egos, and then forget about itself, all on purpose?

@Leo Gura Really hope you do. Obviously something you're passionate about, which means most of us would be passionate about it too. For me, the longer the better. I enjoy diving deep down the rabbit hole. Hope to see it.

I sure hope so. I'm so ready for it.

I'm about 15 minutes in. Having a defeatist thought. If achieving full enlightenment is like winning the Lotto, one in millions chances on it happening, and even Leo can't get there, then what hope is there for me to achieve it? I could spend the rest of my life trying and always feeling like I am failing to reach this highest of states, or I can spend the rest of my life feeding my Ego for happiness. Neither sounds like a solid plan. Again just a thought.

This may explain it all.

Your mind, your body, every person, the world, the universe, physics, time and space, all are part of the illusion. All there is is consciousness.

Only in Enlightenment circles would saying "I really hope you kill yourself" be the greatest compliment you could say to someone, where in any other social circle it would be the greatest insult.

Try Meditation.. it's not what you think badum dum tss

Two friends meet for coffee to catch up: “How are you?” one asks. The other replies: “I’m fine, thanks, but I'm still unemployed.” First friend: “Have you tried Meditating?” “Meditating? What’s that?” “I don’t know, but it’s better than sitting around doing nothing!”

Have you heard of the cow who attained liberation and was viewed as a Zen idol? It was dyslexic and kept on repeating OOOOMMM !

How Spiritually Enlightened are you? If.... If you can be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains, If you can resist complaining, If you can understand when your loved ones are too busy to give you any time, If you can take criticism and blame without resentment, If you can be empathetic to other's plights, and never take anything personally, If you can face the world without lies and deceit, If you can relax or have fun without the need for liquor, If you can go through life without using drugs to numb your emotional pain, If you can be present every moment, not suffering from anything from the past, If you can be happy, despite whatever goes on around you, If you can honestly say that deep in your heart you have no prejudice against creed, color, religion, gender preference, or politics, --Then you have almost reached the same level of spiritual development as your dog!

Oops, my bad. Sorry.