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What about the universal drive to expand/perfect itself? Even if creation and destruction are in equilibrium, the forms that are created out of synthesis are greater. Shouldn't we as humans be conscious of this and strive to align ourselves with this order? While it certainly is a choice to be made, this choice is a necessity after some point.

Is that why you were hanging out with me?

You're welcome, man. If you feel like I'm saying that you are deluded or something, please remember that you are an amazing person and that we need more delusion like yours . The 'whatever you say' attitude is just the testimony of your sincerity, and how you can experience this yourself without thinking: 'am I deluding myself here?'. You know what you are, now be something else.

What you are doing is basically this: Oh look, there is something moving, its bubbly and really difficult to look at. Then, you zoom out and go OH, so it is a wave, and a wave is on the sea, so there really is no wave, but there is the sea. And then, you're like: but what is that thing over there that does not move? And you zoom out and you're like OH, it is a shore that is a part of land! So there is sea and there is shore, so there really is no sea and no shore, but there is the Earth! But hey, what is that thing over there that is not the sea, not the shore not the Earth? So there can be something else other than Earth? OH, that is space! So there is Earth and there is space, but what is that thing... OH SO MAYBE NOTHING REALLY IS THERE AND EVERYTHING IS JUST AN ILLUSION?! Ultimately, nothing really is there and everything is an illusion, but that is only because you're all zoomed out and deny the validity of your 'intermediate' interpretation. You haven't 'turned back'. Illusion is a process, not a 'thing'. It is ignorance, finitude, ignoring. Existence is illusory, but it exists. From the solipsistic perspective, yes somewhat. You, the small ego, are tricking yourself into believing things about what is. What is, is without qualities in itself, but you as an ego are finite and manufacture things about it because you forget that. If you stop forgetting that, you will arrive at reality as-is, but you do not get rid of your finitude. You are bound by your body and its needs and your egoic fragility (care) does not allow you to just die like that. From the solipsistic perspective however, this 'interpretation of truth' that stems from ignorance is creation itself. You are "illusing" things into existence because you're finite. How cool is that? But wait, that is just 'small head solipsism'. There is also 'big head solipsism' where you understand that reality that binds your small ego with the body, is a mind itself. You you can get out of your 'small ego' and inhabit the 'big ego' directly and do all sorts of crazy shit with illusion that manifests things into existence "objectively". That is what, I believe, Leo teaches. It is very reminiscent of the Hermetic tradition. I'm not sure I get the significance of this paragraph. I hope that the previous section clears some thing up.

'What is', is an appearance, but calling it 'merely' an appearance is a huge understatement. Illusion is how all of creation happens, but it says nothing about why creation happens. By dismissing existence as, let's say, feature, you are dismissing Love as the 'basis (?)' of Emptiness. Basis is not the right word here, but I will leave it as that to prevent this conversation from spiraling down again. If you see that 'what is', is an appearance, then there is no reason to ask 'why' that appearance is. However, the same predicament binds you when you don't see that 'what is' is an appearance and have not even started seeking. There is no reason to seek, but that is not a good enough reason to not seek. Illusions exist because they themselves are illusory.

Recent changes I've been going through include: I decided to quit listening to music after my latest breakthrough. Because of silence, the mind became so sensitive to it that I just can't stomach it. I somewhat miss this because it has been the fuel for my programming for many years. At the same time, over the years I became slowly aware of the fact that the mind is in a terrible state after long hours of this kind of work. Right now, if I listen to a catchy song, it gets stuck on repeat every time I think with the inner voice. I can listen to any song at will, but the only thing that brings me to silence is awareness of the present moment, which is really fucking annoying because sometimes, you want to be an idiot that knows no better and actively think for a change. So, no more music for me (as long as my pea-sized brain can remember, that is). I became acutely aware of just how much of an idiot I am. Like, compared to other people that I know of, I'm pretty smart, but having witnessed intelligence far beyond anything imaginable, I am really fucking stupid. I know for a fact that despite being this awesome, my idea of awesome is really not all that impressive. Not only that, but it is actually better for me, and other people, to be this fucking stupid. This is weird because this actually allows me to talk about myself in an unrestrained manner while not losing respect for other people. In my pea-sized brain I had an idea about what humility is and tried to conform to it hahaha. Nope, that is just a contraction of the ego and not genuine humility. The mind is relative and needs a point of reference in order to appreciate things. Appreciation of hierarchies of consciousness. The order of the world is maintained by freedom. Beings lower in the hierarchy unconsciously obey those above in pursuit of their own flourishing and genuine growth. The higher you are in hierarchy, the more harmony you understand and are in tune with. Climbing the hierarchy requires increase of frequency that can go beyond physical death. Sudden jolts of frequency are interpreted as fear, or terror, but this feeling, upon inspection, is nothing other than relaxation, surrender - surrender to the Law, harmony, Tao, etc.. Everyone is bound by the Law, but the further you are from the source, the more free you are to diverge from it. That is Ego, God within God, and ground upon which human condition arises.

Mmmm... this feels like an awakening. Waking up tired despite having 8 hours of sleep? Check. Energy through the roof in the morning? Check. Browsing forum like a maniac? Check. Contemplation insights? Check. Having weird-ass perceptions that twist my mind into a pretzel? Check. Universe, I'm not seeking anymore. Stahp, it tickles!

Oh shit, I just became conscious of the fact that my self-doubt and self-criticism stem from the inability of my ego to embody what I know to be possible. Self-doubt and self-criticism are an inner call to expand in consciousness. I'm doing that for my own good, but I don't get the message. Woot?! I was pondering today that the personal, egoic, light (illumination) is waaaaaaaay smaller than the personal mind and that I know so many things that I constantly forget them. So much pointless suffering stems from identification with what is illuminated by that light. Like: why don't I remember that I can go much deeper into (what appears to be) the darkness and bring the light with me to seek resolution? The insight about ritual and its place in anchoring important things in the vicinity of that light is whizzing by from time to time. I know that I should have rituals for that purpose, but I choose be fluid, formless. Why do I do that? Hmmm.... The only reason I can think of is simply that there is so much stuff going on every day (around me and within me) that I can't seem to fit that anywhere. The things I do are important and I don't want to lose them. Maybe they actually are a ritual, or maybe I should recontextualize my perception of them so that they remind me of something beyond? Hmmm...

Yes, the strong ones have plenty of it and give it away freely and fearlessly.

Nahm is on a spree ?

A lie is a deliberate attempt at creating an illusion. Illusion is when something appears to be different from what it is. A lie implies intent and a liar, while illusion does not. Some know that there only appears to be a liar, so lies in themselves are an illusion. Illusion is ultimately how creation happens, so illusions are real.

This is such a rollercoaster to watch. The brilliance of the rational mind backed up by emotional maturity mistakenly frames God as a the spirit of humanity. I really love Jordan's lectures but this one tells me that he has never had a deep mystical experience. With all of his understanding of the various religions and Jungian psychology, he is such a fertile person to experience one. His philosophy of life is so deeply rooted in suffering that it even shows in his teary voice. You can't manufacture Grace, Jordan! Stop trying to be an Antichrist.

The existence of your mom and your dad is contingent on other things, and ultimately upon Truth. They do not exist independently, but they are ignorant (they ignore) of this fact. This blindness to the nature of truth allows them to be the truth. The truth within truth. This is the trick that allows them to be the creation and create their own, independent creations. Ignorance is the key component of this brilliance. Knowing how to live your life as an enlightened human being. Recognizing the divine spark within all creation and paying its due respect without abandoning your intellect.

@Truth Addict See? Daddy talks about about the truth! Woof! Yes yes yes YES! Y E S! I'm sure that I read exactly what I wanted to read. Great post man.

There is not a single thing in your existence that can be disposed of.

Why not communicate power instead? This is now getting too silly and I have plenty of that in the company of my own ego. Good day to you.

What is the point of having a mind that broken open to the point where no paradigm can lock you, if you cannot see anything behind those paradigms to communicate? The world is orderly and this order is not bound by human thought or paradigms. Power is grounded in freedom, freedom is not grounded in power. If you cannot see that, then there is nothing more to discuss. You are committing a pre/post fallacy. Your mind is broken open, your heart or belly is not. The world has order and meaning that is not bound by thoughts. Being free from thoughts captivity is the place from which you may see it.

Thank you, it hits home. I wrote an essay describing that cycle from the point of view of a drop of water that when I was a third-grader.

Which means that love is more fundamental than power. Notice that this is a hierarchy. It is not merely a linguistic game - this is how the world works. You can parent your child with power and you can parent your child with love. Which way is far superior? The problem with your understanding is that you frame your relationship as fundamentally equal, as if there were nothing else on top of love. You can exert your power upon your child, but your child can't exert its power on you if you're not willing to yield. That makes the two of you fundamentally different despite your choice to be a loving parent. That does not mean that you are better than your child, it means that you are more capable and choose to burden yourself with the responsibility to take care of it. That is the hierarchy of consciousness. This letting go of power as an expression of your free will is to burden yourself with responsibility for others and take their suffering upon yourself. That is the spiritual practice that is taught by Christianity and is embodied by Jesus. It is symbolized by the four nails that pin his limbs to the cross. You can choose this path of rejection of power only if you have power to begin with. That is why Christians reject the idea of dissolution of ego through meditation etc. If you don't have the power to give up, it's just spiritual bypassing. Jesus was an insanely powerful occultist. The one that is above serves the one that is below, the one that is below obeys the one that is above.

I'm going to say it until it clicks with you, alright? Freedom is at the bottom of power. Freedom underlies power. Power is grounded in freedom. Without freedom, power would be impossible. The opposite is not true. There is a hierarchy between power and freedom and this hierarchy is not based on human perception. Repeating myself again, Woof! All power is grounded in freedom. Without freedom there would be no power. Without absolute freedom, there would be no relative freedom. Yet another solipsistic perception. I was stuck conflating the relative with the absolute for a very long time. The fact that the relative and the absolute are one does not invalidate the relative. The relative world exists. And yet, God/devil has created the ego that deludes itself in its finitude. This ego is important. It is important what you think and what kind of person you are. If you claim otherwise, this is a form of spiritual bypassing. Being an ego that is doing its best to be a good ego is better than being an ego that is indifferent towards itself. Egoic suffering and the release of it is a genuine form of spiritual practice. The ego is what allows you to experience God and have a personal as well as transpersonal relationship with it.

The posts are getting long and I've grown tired of this conversation, so I'm going to make this as short as possible. I am not denying the existence of power and its place in the relative world. What I am saying is that freedom is what underlies power and you can relate to freedom directly to establish hierarchies. This very conversation is based on power only indirectly. We may argue, but the underlying incentive is to open up (free) the limited mind of the other person. No. Saying that world is what it is, means that the relative world is in a certain way. You may shift perspectives all you want, but you won't shift out of the need to feed your body if you intend to live. You may also convince yourself that you are less conscious than your dog, but that only proves your genius. Hierarchies exist within the relative world and they do not originate in the person's mind. The world is only absolutely relative for a solipsist.

No. The world is what it is. What it could possibly be is irrelevant. Dogs aren't more powerful/smarter (or rather, more conscious) than humans and that is the fact your absolutely relative ego has trouble coping with. You may claim that hierarchies of consciousness (not power) are hierarchies of dominance, but that simply means that you are alienated from life. You, as a factually more evolved ego, that has greater capability than dogs, can take upon yourself a responsibility towards them. Yes, dogs can take care of themselves and they wouldn't need your help if there were no humans, BUT THERE ARE HUMANS AND THAT IS A FACT YOU'VE BEEN BORN INTO! By taking this responsibility, you are taking the mantle of a servant towards something that is lower than you. Power, even if it is used, IS NOT THE BASIS FOR THIS RELATIONSHIP. Your choice is. You can be the shepherd of this world simply because you are more conscious than other beings and this possibility becomes a necessity at a certain point in development of the ego. You need a more evolved understanding of ownership you brute . The dog does not care about your desire for connection, but you do. Your ego is just another being among other beings that needs to be cared for. The dog also has needs that even it itself is not conscious of. That does not mean that it does not suffer because of those needs and it does not mean that you should not care about them. Turning away from your aunt's request hurts your aunt, hurts the dog and hurts you. It is an act aimed to preserve your passive attitude towards life and rejects your human spirit, which is bound to your ego (its fragility). It is not your power and it is not the basis of your relationship. The ego the thing that gets you to truth. Woof! Woof!

@Jkris The way I see it, enlightenment is not merely an inner game. It is something that occurs when the 'objective' circumstances relating to survival are met. While it is certainly possible to get it through rejection of life, that kind of realization is incomplete (it is through negation, not affirmation). Monks in monasteries meet these criteria and their discipline is the cohesive that keeps it in place. For an enlightened householder, I would expect the inner peace to be something that is instantly re-established after being disturbed. The things that would disturb an enlightened householder's peace would also be different from what a regular person finds disturbing (motivations, sphere of concern, etc).

There are days when I'm having so many mind-blowing realizations that I find it impossible to write them down in the journal. There are also days when I'm lost in peculiarities of everyday life and suffer because I shoulder the responsibility for all of the world's problems. That is usually when I forget that I really am amazing and suffer because I want to be better than I already am. Ego in its finitude is just absurd. Woof! I feel like everything I'm saying about the world, all of my deepest understanding turns to ash in my mouth. That does not, however, going to stop me from speaking any longer.