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@Outer @SgtPepper These two are actually the same.

@Outer Only if you insist that a single word has a single meaning. That however undermines your ability to speak gobbledygook in a constructive way. Have you ever read poetry? You could benefit from that.

@Outer I'm calling it nonsense to keep consistency with your nomenclature so that you can understand what I'm saying. I'm recognizing the language of personal experience within these posts. If you are looking into yourself on your own and actually explore what is happening, you will quickly notice that ordinary words are conflated with meaning that you do not intend to invoke. The only thing to do then is to start using unorthodox linguistic means to encourage introspection. Language that is supposed to invoke feeling similars to what you experience so that it can be inspected. You call that gobbledygook/nonsense. Nonsense is not an insult. It's a compliment. All foreign languages are gobbledygook until you learn them. How to learn a language that is just being invented? Without a dictionary that would point to feelings? It can still convey meaning if you know what you're doing. I'm actually very surprised by your modest attempts at gobbledygook. I think that @Faceless should see your posts as well. Well done!

@Outer I am really enjoying your nonsense.

@Cortex Is your self-image also the sculpture of your ego?

@MrDmitriiV Oh man, how do I care about you... How about I show you just how much I really care by stroking your ego until you realize that we both enjoy it? That is how the 'dark side' works. You both just had a great time proving yourselves right.

@MrDmitriiV Sigh... Let's all celebrate the the fact that you just reinforced the assumption you had when creating this thread. Horray! ?

@Arkandeus I am so happy for you/us.

@RecursoinominadoIf everybody seems mentally ill, then humor the idea that probably you are the abnormal one. The question is: are these mentally ill people trying to forcibly cure you? I can't remember if I ever saw a thread calling reason a mental illness.

@zoey101 It is not silly if it scares you. Why would it be so terrible if she moved without you? Maybe she's just watching your back? So that nobody can hurt you? Like the shadow Zoey you're working on.

@MrDmitriiV Open-mindedness is not blind acceptance of whatever is thrown at you. Open-mindedness is willingness to withhold judgments about things you find questionable. Neither accepting, nor rejecting. It is about letting it stay open, unknown. Not for the sake of proving or disproving them, or even trying them out. It is for the sake of not letting your mind build a self-referential fortress of beliefs that reinforce each other to solid concrete. If you let yourself be fortified like that, every little guest at your doorsteps will look like an army trying to tear your walls down. It is not even about materialism really. You can fortify yourself in spirituality as well. Why is it important that Leo has no dark side? Everybody has one, accept it. So do you. It is something to embrace, not to reject. It's the back door to your castle that you can use to escape. @Leo Gura give the guy a break. He just made a racket on the forum with a flashy title and now you probably both feel cornered. It's not your responsibility (unless you take it) to teach him how to live. Nor it is mine to teach both of you, of course.

@Mikael89 It's not that simple. Talking about enlightenment is tricky, as I do not understand it fully (hopefully!). It is a first-person perspective thing. You can say various things about it with full awareness that you have no clue what you are talking about. That, or you can recognize enlightenment in everybody, even everyday people. You have surely heard the phrase that we're all enlightened but we just don't know it. The moment you define it, it becomes something else. At least the thing I that experience as enlightenment.

@Feel Good Don't worry, keep working at it. The moment you think you 'get it', or that you think you're 'enlightened' is the moment you lose it. That's just the nature of it. The best thing I noticed is to simply let it go. Surrender it, with full responsibility that it may leave, never to be seen again. It may be 'gone' for weeks, or even months, but it will come back if you're open for it. The other thing is that 'unpleasantness' is never gone, but suffering is. So is your ego. It is still there, but at least you can see it clearly. And when others call you names, remember that external judgments about your enlightenment are projections. Either theirs, or yours. Use it as an opportunity to surrender your suffering. It does not imply doing anything in particular (not even stopping yourself from responding to trolls). Just observe yourself. Quietly. That's all.

@zoey101 Remember that feeling. Take note whenever you observe it. It's important. How is your fear of mirrors?

@zoey101 How about: 'looking at it with my own eyes, free of pre-expectations'? It did look weird, didn't it?

@Feel Good Man, you've grown. I'm proud of you.

@non_nothing Hahaha, you call that a power?

@non_nothing Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_wei If, there is no difference between winning and losing - do you really do anything? There is action, but is there will? Is the action really attributable to you, or are you just an observer of whatever happens? Being different How much difference between yes and no? What difference between good and bad? What the people fear must be feared. O desolation! Not yet, not yet has it reached its limit! Everybody’s cheerful, cheerful as if at a party, or climbing a tower in springtime. And here I sit unmoved, clueless, like a child, a baby too young to smile. Forlorn, forlorn. Like a homeless person. Most people have plenty. I’m the one that’s poor, a fool right through. Ignorant, ignorant. Most people are so bright. I’m the one that’s dull. Most people are so keen. I don’t have the answers. Oh, I’m desolate, at sea, adrift, without harbor. Everybody has something to do. I’m the clumsy one, out of place. I’m the different one, for my food is the milk of the mother. https://astudygroup.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/lao-tzu_-tao-te-ching_-a-book-a-ursula-k-le-guin.pdf

@non_nothing Name one thing that makes a difference to you.

@non_nothing Does it matter which definition you choose? Can you really make such a choice honestly? The question is: did your lack of willingness and unwillingness stop you from earning money? No. When there is no difference between earning and not earning - there is also no reason to stop doing it. Did it make you want to kill yourself? No. When there is no difference between life and death there is no drive towards self-destruction. Sounds like liberation to me. Now, the question is: is there a difference between living a meaningful life and meaningless life?

@non_nothing Laziness is when you should do it, but for some reason - don't. Awareness is the freedom to do it, or not to do it and it doesn't matter which you choose.

The whole lecture is very interesting, but I am specifically pointing to 1:09:37. This is the part in which he talks about thinking with the 'empty mind'. Just as a curiosity to explore.

@Outer Yes, you know all the ways in which logic can call things illogical. Is there any lens other than logic that you use to see the world? In before: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem It would be like treating logic as insult. @Charlotte I'm sorry for derailing your thread. We'll get past it eventually.

@Outer You calling my nonsense 'red herrings' tells me that you get off it as well. It is not logical to use logic, but it is perfectly illogical to both use it and not use it. Logic has its places, but existential, or phenomenological questions are not within its domains. To logic, certain things just are what they are. My presence here does not threaten your little bastion from my perspective. It may only look like that through your little manhole.

@Outer Why is it logical to use logic?