WaveInTheOcean

Great trip report mr. Bohr. Happy for ya. Where are you from? Denmark? "How do I overcome my pickup fears.?" Haha, that's an easy one mate. If you see that every girl you see is just yourself, then it should be quite easy just going over to have a casual talk with yourself, shouldn't it? If she happens to reject you, it's just you rejecting yourself. Like it matters, right?

It is indeed very significiant. One perspective is nothing matters, an other perspective is it's the most important thing in the world. I get you 100%. Your trip seems to align very well with my past two 2CB-trips. All is Love and it is beyond beautiful. No matter how twisted things may appear, behind the "outward things", if you look deeply behind/within enough, everything is seen to be happening out of Love.

The apples dont fall far from the tree: I think it's a joke from leo that we are his children. And he's obviously teaching about psychedelics to awaken as many as possible. Now you and I want to make psychedelic therapy mainstream. So yeah, those apples don't fall far from the tree. =D

I fully agree. or you could say it's waiting to be remembered by God who forgot she willingly decided to forget that he's God and instead tricked itself into believing it was an individual/separate ego-person-body-mind. God = No One

'It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.' 'The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.' - Aristotle

"there isn't anyone here to hold on to any concepts or beliefs... " Okay, this is gonna be fun, so why not. To use the nisargadatta-quote, my "problem" (not that I have any real problems in life since my awakening) with veganawake is that he is indeed too far on the "everything is nothing" on the <"I'm Nothing" <--> "I'm Everything">-scale. The scale is of course a dualistic concept, and nothing and everything is absolutely one and the same thing. But anyway, it's quote obvious to me -- I'd like to believe, I may be wrong -- that veganwake's mind is not really in full non-dual mode It's somewhat stuck in the "nihilistic nothingness/everything is perfect as it is/nothing matters/nothing exist"-way-of-thinking. Of course this way of thinking is true enough. There's nothing wrong with saying these things. The problem arises if you cling to these ideas and hold them as the whole truth. The whole truth is: "paradox, non-dual, infinite, every-perspective-is-equal". As I have said multiple times but which veganawake somehow does not seem to fully grasp is that everything that we can say with words and sentences can never-ever be fully true. And you can take any statement and flip it on its head and this opposite statement will be equally as true as the original statement. When we communicate and say things, we always say it to someone, either to ourselves or to another. What I say on this forum depends mostly on what I think most readers are identified with. For example, if most readers are lost in the dream and does not grasp that their ego and everything is fantasy and that they are Divine, then I'll say things that'll make them try to understand this. However, let's say most readers are fanatics who are clinging to the nihilistic belief that they don't exist and that nothing matters and that they truly are God and that they can do as they damn please, then I might write something like: "Everything matters. The Now is eternal and infinite. It's all that matters and it contains everything. You do exist. Yes as God. But you don't understand what God is. God has nothing to do with your personal beliefs and ideas. You may very well believe that you can do as you damn please, sure, but it's a belief, notice that. You do exist, and Reality is Real in the Realest sense. Yes, It's a dream, but it's your fucking draem. You decided to dream it up. Do you think that it was a mistake? No it wasn't. This dream of yours is intelligent and planned out. Make no mistake, fool". Anyway to conclude this pointless rant, I'll take some things VeganAwake have said and use his own logic against him. Just to make him see how lost he is. (I've been stuck in his way of thinking for a long time by the way. So did Leo. It's only recently, like the past 1-2 years that Leo has incoporated the Love-aspect into his teachings). "And the belief that there is a higher perspective as opposed to lower perspective is still caught in the dream and is still duality " Your sincere belief that there is no higher perspective as opposed to lower perspective shows that you're still caugtht in the fantasy-land of duality. I could say that there are indeed higher perspectives compared to lower perspectives, and it would be just as true as what you said. See, I don't disagree with you, only with your rigid mind. "And that's just fine because it's what's happening it's whole complete and perfect but for No One." It's complete and perfect for God as well, you could say. Your "sincere belief of nothingness" is just that: a belief. "there isn't anyone here to hold on to any concepts or beliefs... " Your belief that there isn't anyone here to hold on to any concepts or beliefs is just that: a belief. I could say that there indeed is someone here that is capable of holding on to beliefs and concepts, namely You (God, I'm talking to you my friend), and it would be just as true as your original statement. "It's already perfect it's already whole it's already complete it's already Paradise it's already the kingdom of heaven" It's not already whole. It's not already complete. We got a lot of work to do. The kingdom of heaven is certainly not here on Earth yet. Have you seen what's happening in US? How many children every day that die due to hunger in Africa? To say it's already paradise is ... well, of course true enough, if you look at it from one level of magnification, hehe, but not from another level of magnification:-) No level of magnification is more true than any other. We can zoom infinitely far out and infinitely far in, and it's always that: a perspective, always only half-truth. As I said, of course, from my level of magnification it's sort of already whole and perfect and Paradise itself is certainly right in front of my eyes in everything I look at. That's how I feel. I see the Beautiful Garden all around me. Do you? <3 Much love to everyone here. <3 Sorry for being harsh and arrogant, I can't help my self. <3 This isn't even something I'm writing. It's Flow.

Yeah thanks for reminding me not that I didn't really know it beforehand I'm fully aware we are saying the same things, i.e. pointing to the Absolute nature of reality/Truth, and yeah that Nisargadatta-quote is one of my favs. With that said, I can just sniff out from his rigid and dry way of writing that he's probably not 'fully there' yet, but what I do know, maybe he is :-) not that it matters at all <3 and what does it even mean to "fully be there?" ,... nothing, or well, I guess it means complete inner peace. This Inner Peace I'm feeling 24/7 since my awakening 1 ½ week ago: I wish everyone could feel that. (( I'd now expect him to reply to this post in these sort of lines: "The one who believes he scan sniff out anything is a dream, an illusion, fantasy. Who is the "he" that is not fully there yet? Everything is perfect as it is. It is 'here' Now. To believe it doesn't matter is a belief. A concept." )) Of course, vegan-ideology-dude-who-thinks-he's awake: I'm very thankful to you for reminding me not to get too far ahead of myself. Sure, you are right, the ego likes to take ownership of every experience -- gotta watch out.

sure. I have written you behind my ear =D expect that I call you in 5-6 years

Ok read it again comfy and home from work and it made somewhat more sense. Yes, 3-dimensional, i like that wording! "if you want to raise the sea level you need to melt a lot of mountains, for example. although then it would still not be drinkable." That's a fine analogy @remember

Sorry to be rude but I didn't understand a word of what you just wrote, which means either: A: You're mumbling/being very unclear. B: I'm retarded / not not on the same level as you (??) Or both. ❤️??

Ehee, not that it matters, but then you also disagree with Leo on that, (I think, cos he always talks about conscious as something you can raise, maybe he has changed view, not that i rly care). Anyway, you are of course right: from the highest absolute perspective, consciousness is god is love is one is Self is everything is nothing. And therefore it's silly to talk about a scale of consciousness. But from a *relative* perspective I'd very much say a person's consciousness is something that can be raised. If you disagree with that then I find you rather funny?❤️

Consciousness is an infinite scale, relatively speaking. Lowest is complete absorption in ego/character (= not seeing the character for what it is: a character). Highest is complete absorption in your true self, i.e. God. It's impossible to actually *become* the highest during day-to-day-life, since day-to-day-life implies controlling the character (but you can become very aware and feel that the character is not the whole You, but a fantasy imagined by You). During human life you can, however, become infinitely close to God / Your True Self. In that sense, there is always more to it than "mere" enlightenment. You can always expand your consciousness -- and most importantly: you can expand it in infinite directions! There are infinite flavours, colours of God. <3 Anyway, in this discussion, it's always important to be very clear what we mean by "enlightenment"/"awakening". Here is my own analogy of the path: You start your life at one side of the river: complete ego-absorption, completely asleep. - At some point you maybe get a glimpse of the True Self -- micro-awakening -- which tells you that the 'poor little body-mind-self' is not the whole You. This is where you are thrown into the river. You are not awakened yet in the fullest sense, since you are still very much "not free" and doesn't actually understand what you are. But you are still "more enlightened" than all other people who are still completely asleep. Because you sense/know there is something bigger than your ego. The spiritual journey begins. I also like to call this the awakening of the mind. You sort of understand and can maybe even rationlize about 'Oneness', 'ego', 'God', 'non-duality' etc., but you don't actually *get it*. - If you keep being passionate about understanding reality/truth/yourself and strive to become honest and authentic, then at some point you will reach the other side of the river. This we could call the awakening of the heart. Now you *get it*. You feel it. You understand deeply in both mind and heart that your persona/body-ego-mind is a character that You are playing. And that You = Divine = Everything = Nothing. You are free. - Now that you are on the other side of the river, you are what we would call awakened, enlightened, liberated. But you are not done yet. In a sense the REAL journey starts now. You see the woods on this other side of the river. And you naturally walk into the woods. The deeper you walk into them, the higher your consciousness becomes. This is all relatively speaking, needless to say :-) Words are of course meaningless in regards to True Communication. I'm just pointing a finger.

Leo put up a song up on his blog, Infinite Insights, called "Sonder" (by AK), which is a very nice chillstep/ambient song indeed. I'm INTP, so of course I had to google what the actual fuck "sonder" means. It turns out it's a word coined by a dude behind a YT-channel called Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows. It's a "dictionary" for emotions which all human beings know, but which we have not yet made any words for. This dude has now made up the words. I'll just link one example, namly 'sonder - n. the realization that each random passerby is living a life as vivid and complex as your own' , but there are many more. The associated videos with each word are beautifully made.

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Most definitely ❤️??

If you took a grown up man from year 1500 and showed him iphones and airplanes he would probably die out of pure shock. To him we would me magicians

What we call magic is just that which we: - don't understand - or/and don't think is possible To me existence itself is a miracle. Pure magic. Also realize that if for example everyone could walk on water on turn water to wine, that then these abilities would just be absolutely 'normal'. In other words "normal vs. magical" is just that: a relative duality which is ultimately non-dual. There will always be "some things" we consider magic; namely because there are some things we consider normal! You cant have one without the other. To answer more directcly, I am open enough to consider that the miracles of Jesus are not just myth but true. But that doesn't even matter. I mean the past only exist as a story inside my head/inside the collective conscious/unconscious mind

Everything we can say with language are arbitrary distinctions. Reality is non-dual, which implies that even saying reality is non-dual is ultimately not the absolute truth. ;-) Reality is *plays a note on a piano* and we won't give it a name. ❤️????☀️?✨

You are God pretending not to be God. There's nothing more to say than that. ?????✨?????????

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1. Reality is non-dual. Non-duality means: Not one, not two. The question is: do you get it or not? For example, let's take the extremest duality: ego - god . Obviously complete opposites. Right? Well, not so fast. Apply non-duality to it: Reality is not: ego. Reality is not: god. (either) Reality is not: "god AND ego". Reality is: ____________________ (Or you 'could' say: "ego-god"). Hehe. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 2. To let go of power is to gain power. 3. To let go of control is to gain control. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ If you got zero clue about the actuality/meaning of profound insight 1, then trip on a psychedelic. If you got zero clue about the actuality/meanng of profound insights 2 and 3, then go ahead right now and buy this book by the great Alan Watts: The Wisdom of Insecurity: A Message for an Age of Anxiety - https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Insecurity-Message-Age-Anxiety/dp/0307741206 Alan Watts was unrutted to the bone. He didn't play it by the book - and that's the single best thing about him in comparison to other teachers. <3

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"...because it sensed annihilation and now subtly returns as the loving do-gooder Self" you do realize that this is exactly what actual 'permanent' enlightenment is, right? I can't stop fucking laughing, I am sorry. It's too funny. <3 You preach 'letting go' yourself. Then fucking do it yourself. Let fucking go. Completely. Just do it. Stop masturbating around the bonfire and actually jump into it instead. There is no one stopping you. No ego. Only you.

Fuck man. I love you VeganAwake <3 I fully understand where you're coming from. And in a way I very much agree with you. But I just want you to be very aware of: 1. There is no ego. It's a dream. The ego is a dream. It does not exist. 2. Spiritual teachers who make a living by teaching/"helping"... hehe: Have you ever thought about how +90% of them constantly keep repeating EXACTLY what you just wrote here? They cannot seem to repeat it enough to their students. Haha. How come? Are most teachers actually REALLY interested in their students becoming completely awake? If the answer is yes, then how will they make money ??? :> If the answer is no, then ... oh wait... I already told you once. Now I tell you twice. Stop playing by the book, brother. Or you'll keep spinning around in circles, foreeeeverr and ever.