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I think Obama is Green/Yellow, just like Hilary Clinton. Unfortunately the world pick a narcissist and a blue guy(Trump) for president. That's why we face This turmoil in the world today. Hopefully he will be replaced by Hilary before next election. Obama and Hilary always strected the importance of equal rights and equality, no human is illegal. How come we went backwords from a yellow president to pick a blue one for president. Trump is only concerned about grabbing pussy, make hate speech on muslims/immigrants and to suck Putin's di*k. It's really Sad when you think about it. And I use to be one who bought his retoric, that CNN/MSM are nothing But fake News. Now I know better, it's Obama/Clinton and CNN That's YELLOW, not the other way around!

I'm a people pleaser! Not because I want to be popular and liked, I rather prefer that people are indifferent to me. But of course, I don't want anyone to dislike me. I think my tendencies to please people is linked to the fact that I want people to feel good. I'm sensitive and I'm often talkative even when I'm not interested in having a conversation, just to establish a friendly atmosphere. Energy wise, this is not a good idea. If I just like to say "hi", but nothing more, I'm afraid that the other person will feel like I let him down or something. Again, this comes not from a a need to be liked. But rather I am sensitive to others wellbeing. How do you cope with that?(If you have this issue in common with me) Also, my activity here is very much a training for me not to be a people pleaser, and I do rather good I think. I'm not overly friendly, and I don't say anything to please others, if I'm friendly and talkative it comes naturally because I want to. It's easier online though, it's another story in real life.

When I Walk in nature, it's the same nature as when I was a boy. Not the VERY same bees, wind, flowers, But it's no different, nature does its dance over and over without anything ever happen. Same with This forum, compare to 2.5 years ago when the forum was brand New, same question, same comments, same arguments, same kindness etc. It will never change. Conclusion, do This if you think it's funny right now, not as s means to an end, because nothing becomes better or worse, it stays the same, hence do what makes you happy, and stay away from "work" and "discipline" in This field! Namaste.

All This spiral Dynamics talks got me into thinking about how big This actualization thing acctually is. Although I'm orange/green I can imagine how many stages that are above me. And that there are stuff to explore and New heights to develope towards for as long as I live. Some of you are up there at yellow, turquoise or even higher. But question is, can you be too good so speak? Too good to fit in to the system/society that is? After all, Everyone need to support themselves. And how would one of you that is up there with second tier fit in to my workplace for example, where humor, gossiping, ego and understanding are at my level or even below that. You see what I mean? How would you fit in to that? You can't be too good if you want to fit in to the system. If you stand out in any individual kind of way you don't keep system Commodities going? Or am I wrong? Thanks god I'm orange! ?

Sounds great, time for bed here too! ?

You know my story bro! I had to LEARN how to judge again! Can you imagine what a hell that was? When you see how incredible Beautiful and perfect every being is. And you must find a way to look upon Those in a critical way again, just as I Did many years ago. I tell you, that is a Journey of hell raised to the power of hell. Not only that, This is how twisted it is, please try to follow me, and sorry for my broken english btw, I know it's a drag to read. Some of it you are familiar with already, but I try to explain it better. Anyway, imagine you have a perspective of life/reality in such a way that that everything is beautiful, in a way that reality and everything in it contains so much beauty your heart can almost not handle it. You see how every being is so perfectly complete, a formation of Love. And you know that Everyone feels and experience the same. But you start to find out that it only happens when you are together with others. Somehow you have the psycic power to let others to see the world as you do when you interact. You shake them psycologically in an infinite way. You become a figure of light where everybody notice your presence and are madly drawn to it. You notice that there is something really special about your perspective, that it is really rare, infact you are the only one having it, with the power to share it when in interactions. However, there is another perspective, the Collective consciousness perspective let's say. You know there is that other perspective, But you have no clue what it's all about, you have since long forgot. You only know that it's something dark, at least darker. But you can't get a taste of that perspective, because you elevate others to your perspective. And you know you can't really move in society, other Then casual interactions with people. Because, if you go to a workplace let's say, you will elevate the whole workplace to your level of awareness, at the same time all the structures of that workplace are build upon and sustain upon structures of This other perspective. You see how you run into a syntax error? Finally you understand that the world is not build around your perspective at all, even though everything you come in contact with transforms into your consciousness. But again, you can never let your perspective become a big movement because of This syntax error since the world spins around This other perspective. Ok, so now you try to transcend This state of love, bliss, perfect understanding to adopt to that common perspective of others. You really have to create anger, fear, hate out of thin air constantly for years. Those two perspectives are really two completely different realms. You can't allowed yourself any happiness. Let's refer to Those states or perspectives as absolute and relative perspectives. You transcend the absolute to get back to relative again. Let's say This absolute perspective, the perspective of Love, beauty understanding, truth was a deluded state, just for the sake of reasoning. And that the relative perspective that others have(when they are not affected by your presence) we suggest that it is the sober one, the real true perspective. So you Cure a mania one Could say. You go from a deluded state of heaven to a true state of "hell". Now that is ofcourse difficult, years of literary hell on the Journey back to hell, in order to come back to ordinary relative perspective. But This is not the case. That's why I Said the Journey back is not only hell, But hell raised to the power of hell! Because you don't leave a deluded state of heaven to travel to a true state of hell. It's the other way around. You travel back from the true state of heaven to a deluded state of hell, and you know you must do it. Because This world doesn't spin around that heavenly perspective/consciousness. somehow the world has to get rid of you otherwise. But it's not really accurate to put it like that, it's more at stake, not just your life. MUCH MORE. I remember one time when I was in between Those states, my Brother was visiting me, and since he is my brother and since I was on my Journey back, he wasn't affected to that state of awareness that still had residues in me. And I remember he Said something judgemental about a person, nothing special, he just Said someone was a bit wierd. And I remember what a chock that was. It was impossible to comprehend, I thought he was joking. Again, a syntax error happened in me. How can one judge another, it's impossible, Everyone is perfect! That was First time I met This relative perspective again face to face. @tsuki You know you were the First one I told, only you and faceless know my story, hehe faceless, he couldn't care less, Love him for that, just as much as I Love you Listening. ? For some reason I couldn't have telled anyone earlier, all the residues had to leave, otherwise I don't know what would have happened, there is so much power and responsibility to that state of awareness I had. Maybe the universe would have imploded or something just by mention it, now it's just a Buch of words. Also, now, when I find myself in the relative realm again. I Could see how infinitely naive I was. I mean really infinite naive. Isn't it ironic? You are naive when you know the truth But don't know how to be deluded is a certain way. You don't know how the world looks like from one eye when you have two eyes. You must find a way to carve out one eye so to speak to be able to function in society of one eyed humans. The whole of language is more or less a one eye phenomenon, if you get the metaphor. I was infinitely naive because I saw that Everyone was perfect, beautiful. I saw who they truly were. But they themselves didn't know who they truly were. And I didn't know that, because it was the most obvious thing in the world to see who others as Well as myself was. And they only get glimps of that in my presence. It was First after I start my Journey back when people didn't lose their deluded self and tasted their true self in my presence any longer that I really saw face to face how they didn't know themselves. And now I am one of them.. What to say? Shit happens, hey. It's a little bit Sad though that my life mission didn't work out. It just started with a desire dig deep into leadership and it put me on the greatest Journey ever, it was personal development at its best not knowing I Did exactly that. Guided by my intuition for years, it was crazy.

Maybe it's a little bit the same as with ego. Prior having an ego you don't have nondual understanding. By develop one and later transcend it you come to that understanding/realisation Perhaps you can gain something out of it if you adopt and understand spiral dynamics almost as if it's more Then a model, like it has an absolute reality to it. And Then you transcend it all, just as we do with the ego. I think that what Leo meant with his comment?

Leo orange?

Popcorn's ready. Next round of sniping can continue! ?

I'll check what I find..

@Joseph Maynor Did you see my examples? You like them?

Ah, I forgot, Werner Herzog of course! That man is insane. He is at turquoise raised to the power of turquoise. His documentaires blows my mind. Too much truths and insigths almost.

"People look strange when you're a stranger" /The Doors (You like them? You seem to sppreciate good music )

Dick Cavett the former talk show host is/was? either yellow or turquoise. Great depth in his understanding. He saw the surface level as Well as the deeper levels of both life itself and his guests. Same with director Oliver Stone. He see all perspectives and give life to them

@White When Did you First become interested in spiral Dynamics? I know that Leo like Ken Wilber. Do you think what he says about turquoise is accurate? Or is there anyone better to watch at youtube in your opinion?

I'm clueless? ☹️

I think Rupert Spira is turquoise. And JP Spears is in transition to turquoise as I see it. One foot still in yellow though. If dead people count I would say Abraham Lincoln and Churchill were turquoise!

@Joel3102 Is Ayn Rand Orange? I thought she dis better Then that?

You don't know how much your words influence me! I need that last push I guess. Your Journey is so inspiering! We spoked to each other long time ago before you put all This into action. And you had some kind of hesitation around your aura back then! That's completely Gone now! I'm happy for you man, Hope you keep visit This forum every now and then, we need you. Besides! Most important! You build a stucture around your life that give you possibility to grow into turquoise and even higher. You cut ties with that which hold you back. And That's what yellow is all about - system thinking! Most people Maybe have inner potential to reach Those hights, But will fail due to outer structures. Those you should set by wise systemthinking. You are one of few here that acctually have a life imo.

Take your meds before you do accusations like that.

I understand! You inspire me, I'll Maybe do the same, are you still in south America?

True, but it's your country as Well, right? Don't you consider yourself Swedish anymore? ?

Sup Ether? Doing ok today?

Isn't the transition from green to yellow the tougest one to do? Because lets say hypotetically that society has evolved into an organism that suits humans in most optimizated way. Then you Could just keep evolving within green. The push to evolve from Green to Yellow happen to some degree because you identify the flaws of society. It seem so from my perspective(green) The transition from green to yellow will be tough for me. It would probably feel like mind wants to participate and hijack the pure innocent heart into a system thinking agenda.. ?

Thank you, great metaphor with cells and organs!