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That models arent the territory. Life is experience. ...But systems thinking is so advanced for most folks that it would be unneccessary to critique it, its kind of like abandoning your ship in the middle of the river. You probably wont exhaust systems thinking in this life time. Another problem is language in general, ineffability, some things just cant be explained to others.

Its good that the Orange debunking community (Dont know what to call it) has its eggs in the right basket. The Alt-Right community has had way too much breathing room the past few years. It needs pushback.

Rationalwiki is good for Orange skeptic debunking kind of stuff, not so good for Green/Yellow and higher. Its a tool, like anything else.

Ideology can come in the form of a trojan horse.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tara_McCarthy

“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not give a handjob to one..." Fredster The Nitchzter

Dude spent his entire life complaining about group-think and ideology leading to bad things, what is the Alt-Right and Neo-Nazism but group-think. Hes basically associating himself with what he supposedly hates.

Lol, he is interviewing a neo-nazi on a neo-nazi site.

Thats basically the whole point of the Anti-Christ, dress like angel, talk like an angel. Trump could have shot someone on the street and they would have still had his back.

Lol, theres a huge difference between Wilber and Beck, I highly doubt he voted for Trump. "The world is in turmoil. As populist waves roil the Brexit-bound UK, along with Europe, Turkey, Russia, Asia—and most visibly, the US with the election of Donald Trump—nationalist and extremist political forces threaten the progress made over many decades. How did we get here? And how, with so much antagonism, cynicism, and discord, can we mend the ruptures in our societies? In this provocative work, philosopher Ken Wilber explains why there is cause for hope. He lays much of the blame on a failure at the progressive, leading edge of society. This leading edge is characterized by the desire to be as just and inclusive as possible, and to it we owe the thrust toward women’s rights, the civil rights movement, the environmental movement, and more. This is all evolutionarily healthy; what is unhealthy is a creeping postmodernism that is elitist, “politically correct,” and that looks down on “deplorables.” Combine this with the techno-economic demise of many traditional ways of making a living, and you get an explosive mixture. As Wilber says, for some Trump voters: “Everywhere you are told that you are fully equal and deserve immediate and complete empowerment, yet everywhere are denied the means to actually achieve it. You suffocate, you suffer, and you get very, very mad.” He is watching Blue and Green from a birds eye view.

I like audio. But hey, I can read the paper too. Good idea.

A term used by human beings to separate themselves from other human beings in an attempt to solidify their imaginary identity.

I've only watched the series once, will need to watch it again to integrate it into my vocabulary.

Haha like dog barking, I thought the sound effects reminded me of that. Definitely keep it up. I'll follow you on Spotify.

this is... interesting...

Haha! Throbbing Gristle certainly opened the door for alot musicians today

At this moment... hmm... been listening to alot of Oneohtrix Point Never, experimental electronic stuff.

Dylan is awesome! Im pretty much an electronic music-head IDM and downtempo, for example Flying Lotus, off the top of my head.

Me neither! ?? Whats your favourite genre? or artist?

Have you heard of Ikigai? Thats what Im trying to follow. I agree, its very easy to create what the market wants only, but that would make my art go down in value because it would be generic.

Thanks for your advice??

Yeah, Im going to University this autumn. Will study something in the social sciences, havent decided what yet.

??Thanks

The music is the marketability. The better the music the easier to market. Music is about holding someones attention so you cant market something that doesnt hold attention, if I marketed something else like a pill to make your hair grow back after balding that would be easy. Oh, I am making music I like, and its going well for me, I have made a little following, Im just making this thread because I like to share my thoughts if any musician reads it, because I know there are musicians on this forum.

Exactly. But noones gonna buy your music if it doesnt move those mountains. The music business is so oversaturated, everyone takes music for granted, you have to provide massive value to stand out.