Leo Gura

Osho was pretty popular. But the most popular stuff is never the best.

That's not interesting. No The point is that if you can imagine it deeply enough, Consciousness can imagine it even more. Somewhere inside God's Mind, the mind of a demon exists. I am not saying it exists in the human domain. God is all possible minds. Consider the possibility that the only thing that prevents you from experiencing being a demon is your lack of imagination.

Nothing hilarous about it. You get to set your own point. I set my point as understanding. I don't care about your bliss. If you care about it, good for you. But don't tell me what I care about. Eventually you will realize that all the bliss in the world still left gaps in your understanding.

@Water by the River It is possible to seek spiritual pleasure. And what I said is that I don't promote that. I don't regard you as seeking spiritual pleasure. Bliss could refer to pleasure, or maybe not. People use words in different ways.

But discipline most requires you to act precisely when you are in a soft, sloppy state, when you are least capable. If your discipline depends on your mood then it won't be very good.

So what? That doesn't address the elephant in the room, which is Zionist domination of Gaza. The longer you ignore that elephant and make rationalizations for it, the more terrorists will be created. I am trying to help you guys. But no one can save you from yourselves.

Of course. But that is very different from pleasure-seeking, including spiritual pleasure-seeking. Notice, my work has never taught spiritual pleasure-seeking, because that's obviously a trap. As I said, pleasure is a nice byproduct when occassionally it comes. And I enjoy those moments but I don't make the work about that.

Playing with crocodiles: that's a trap. Didn't even occur to me that people can be that foolish. But I guess there is no limit to human foolishness.

Why do you assume hippies aren't devils? My last girlfriend was a New Age hippie type. Sweet, but also full of devilry. You should know that the devil loves to wear the disguise of a sweet young hippie chick.

No, just simply a truth few wish to see.

It has nothing to do with bliss or pleasure. It is simply about degree of consciousness. Ken Wilber's comprehension of consciousnes is good, but still limited. I don't care about pleasure, I care about Consciousness. Any pleasure that comes about is a nice byproduct, but ultimately irrelevant. Ironically, it is meditators and Buddhists who love to talk about sitting around basking in bliss. When they should be talking about Consciousness.

Notice, when you point out your finger, three fingers point back at you. That's the issue. Neither are demon minds. But maybe they should be. God is always watching.

All of your Enlightenments and you still cannot account for the simple mind of a crocodile. This is why I cannot take your Buddhism seriously.

No they weren't. They were devils, just like everyone else. While Gaza was being oppressed and dominated for decades, 5 miles away Jews were partying at a music festival without a care in the world. Devilry takes many subtle forms. Deny it at your own peril. Your own fancy quotes betray you. If the line of good and evil runs through every man, then why do you do so much demonizing of terrorists? Follow your own fancy quotes.

You don't know that. You created a human spiritual fantasy about how consciousness works. Your grand theory is infested with human bias and lack of imagination.

Of course. Most importantly, commit to the pursuit of truth. Recognize that making mistakes is how you grow. What matters is not the past mistakes but who you will become thanks to them in the future.

The issue that after you experience psychedelic levels of consciousness, nothing less will satify you. Most people who meditate have no idea of what consciousness is possible, so they placate themselves with their piddly results in order to rationalize their time investment. It's hard to admit to yourself that all your years of meditation has gotten you virtually nowhere. That's not gonna be the case for everyone, but the majority.

"We are sons of light, they are sons of darkness." I have never seen Netanyahu show awareness of his own devilry. That's the core problem in all this. Netanyahu is constitionally incapable of coming out and saying: "We Israelis are devils." But that's what is needed to resolve this conflict. Until Israelis admit this, there cannot be peace.

I explained this in my classic video: What Is The Devil. But I want to make another video on this topic. The key is to catch yourself creating a fantasy of you being the good guy in life. It's a very powerful and trappy fantasy that almost everyone falls into, including me. Yes, it is discouraging to realize you aren't the good guy you thought you were. But recognition of your own devilry is what makes you good.

A real world fight is very different from MMA. I saw a serious fight break out in the casino lobby. One of the guys grabbed a chair and was swinging it to kill the other guy, and the friends of both sides were there both fighting and trying to stop the fight. It was total chaos. It took like 15 security guards to break it up. In a real world fight you would never want to fight with bare fists, you would want to grab the nearest blunt object. Imagine UFC with chairs and beer bottles.

This is human logic. Human projection. It is moot for crocodiles and potentially many other kinds of minds. A demon does not need to follow humanoid psychology.

I speak of it from the perspective of imagining what it would like to have the consciousness of a demon. Analogous to you imagining the conscious experience or mind of a tiger. Really imagine what is would be like if you were a tiger in the forest stalking a deer. And then imagine the same thing but now you are a demon stalking a human.

1) That was a general statement. It could have exceptions for some people. 2) Kriya yoga is different. I think it is more potent and accumulates better over months, so you can do 1-2hrs per day and it builds up. Meditation does not build up so well. For meditation to build up requires like several days of nonstop practice. Again, these things will vary if you are spiritually gifted.

I know all that. I suggest it isn't strictly necessary. I could use your logic to say that in order to release some pent up spiritual energy I need to kick a baby in the head. And you would say to me: That isn't strictly necessary. And you'd be right.

It was a kind of coping mechanism for the magnitude of my realization.