Leo Gura

Lol, Scott Adams critcizing Sam Harris is like Harvey Weinstein criticizing Al Franken. But also -- of course -- rationality is highly irrational. How could you not expect such an artificial duality to collapse?

@egoless I have a 25 hour course which explains all that. It will save you years of beating around the bush. This is a nuanced topic which required a giant course to properly explain.

Watch your asses when following/idolizing any human being. People do that because they are too lazy to actually do the work themselves. No one will enlighten you but yourself.

@egoless If that's what they're really passionate about and feel their purpose is, sure, no problem. Except that's not the case 99% of the time.

But it's not being done consciously, that's the point. And what about those people working in a 9-5 job who got laid off and screwed over by their company, denied a pension, and denied healthcare, then got cancer and died because they couldn't pay for it? What about 1/3 of American who live at the poverty line and cannot afford healthy food or decent schooling for their children? There is risk in everything. And I never recommended going all-in (monetarily) on a new business idea. That is extremely foolish. I would never do that myself. That's not what LP is about. Criticism of a 9-5 job isn't about the job itself, it's about the unconsciousness which typically comes with it. A person working at McDonald's is literally working in a poison factory. His job is to poison people for a living. And a programmer's job at Lockheed Martin is to kill people for a living.

That is a very complex question that would requires a decade of research and contemplation to begin to understand. I'm in the process of writing a book about it. It's extremely complex and challenging to write about.

@BjarkeT The problem is that scientists, and you, are taking the scientific method for granted. You just assume it delivers truth. But that's not how it works at all. It constructs a conceptually-augmented reality instead. You misunderstand how the scientific method actually works, what it yields, and what its limits are. For starters, scientific method doesn't prove ANYTHING. All it can do is rule out certain possibilities "within reasonable doubt". To understand all that requires a very deep investigation of epistemology and metaphysics and history of science. Which hardly any scientists undertakes. Science is a paradigm which comes with many unconscious metaphysical assumptions which simply turn out to be false. But good luck convincing a person who clings to that paradigm of this point.

Those people haven't even begun to live. They are cogs in a soulless machine. And I never said entrepreneurship is for everyone. Nothing is for everyone.

Chimps with nuclear weapons and iPhones.

@BjarkeT How is anything evidence? That's the real question. You cannot even begin to imagine what you're missing.

You talk about proof, but do you understand that there is actually zero proof for materialism? If anything, quantum mechanics and general relativity have disproven materialism 100 years ago. It's just that mainstream culture hasn't caught on. If you do a search, you'll find we've discussed this issue to death already in similar threads just a few weeks ago. Smoke some DMT and you will have your evidence.

That is correct. Although what remains after that is achieved is a sort of divinization of all experience.

@naive13 https://www.actualized.org/articles/contemplation

Too vague.

@Lauritz There's nothing as mad as the belief that objective reality exists.

The course is not about starting a business. Those were just arbitrary examples. Your LP might not involve starting a business, and that is okay, and is still covered in the course, of course. For example, your LP could be to become president of the US. And you don't need to start a business to do that. Although having business know-how is very good for anyone, even if you work for a boss. There is almost nothing more valuable than business know-how. Except maybe spiritual know-how.

@John Iverson There is much more to life that just enlightenment. If you want success in any field, from finances to relationships to sex to health, you will have to work your ass off for it, no matter how enlightened you are. And if you are too lazy and undisciplined to succeed at these basic things, I would bet good money that you will fail at enlightenment too. There is no escaping self-discipline and hard work in life. Stop thinking of enlightenment as a shortcut to avoiding work. Decide how you want you life to be, and then get to work creating that. It's that simple.

You're right, reality is infinitely better and bigger than those worlds. All those world are a tiny subset of actual reality. But you are too lazy to actualize it. You only get what you give from life. You haven't given enough to it yet to experience its magic. You expect magic to be delivered to you on a silver platter because modern society has made you lazy and weak.

@Alien Tis merely the Devil leaving your body

@realname Worlds have nothing to do with logic. Logic is a symbolic system invented by humans. Like a language. From what I understand at this point, consciousness can literally take any form at all that it wants, without restriction. There are no worlds per se. There are just different dreams. Imagine an infinite mind which can dream up whatever the hell it wants. Right now, it happens to be dreaming up you.

@Edvard A hallmark of higher consciousness people is that they behave more authentically, truthfully, honestly. So they will not want to pretend to act less conscious. That's something only a low consciousness person would think of doing. In many ways Obama was very pragmatic and Orange/Green. He wasn't super Yellow and nowhere near Turquoise. No, just the opposite. The truly wise have no desire for power, glory, fame, or success. They have no desire to win or to rule. If what you said was true, then all the emperors of Japan would have been Zen masters and all the presidents of the USA would have been Nobel prize winning scientists and humanitarians. But that's precisely the opposite of what happens. The people who rise to the heights of power are usually the most ego-maniacal, power-hungry, Machiavellian, ruthless, and evil. (There are a few exceptions). You'd have to be insane to want to behave like Trump on purpose. That sorta like asking, why doesn't a university professor behave like a mental-retard? He could, but why would he? The whole point of achieving stage Turquoise is that you see the entire cosmos as one interconnected being. There is nothing left to be selfish about. The self is seen to be a gross delusion. I explained why he is Red here: https://www.actualized.org/insights/trump-and-spiral-dynamics As President, of course he is killing people. The number of innocent civilians killed under Trump from drone strikes alone has been more in 1 year than under Obama's entire term. http://www.newsweek.com/trump-has-already-killed-more-civilians-obama-us-fight-against-isis-653564 And, BTW, the US military grossly under-counts civilian deaths (of course). The greater the ego, the longer its trail of collateral damage. Trump isn't even aware of the collateral damage he is causing, which is precisely what makes him so dangerous. He has no self-reflection, unlike someone like Obama.

You should familiarize yourself with formal logic. There are an infinite number of self-consistent different kinds of logics. Not in other worlds, but just in THIS world! You can study them in university. What you refer to as "logic" does not exist. That's a gross over-simplification.

@Mohamad Tahmas Trump isn't merely Orange, he's way down at Red. In a democracy how can you have 1% (Yellow) in power over the other 99% (below Yellow)? You can't. The politicians must pander to and reflect the average consciousness of the voters. In America, the average consciousness of the voter is Red/Blue/Orange, so that's mostly the only kind of leaders you will get. If a Yellow or above leader came into power, he would be demonized and hated by 90% of the population because he wouldn't reflect their values. You can see that sorta happened with Obama. Stage Red/Blue people absolutely hated him. Including Trump. If a Turquoise leader came in control, he would be killed. Examples: Jesus Gandhi MLK JFK (he wasn't anywhere near Turquoise, but still) Robert Kennedy (also not Turquoise, but still) For a leader to be effective, he must be only 1 step above his followers. Any more than that, and they will revolt against him. The problem with Trump is that he is actually 1 step below his followers, which is why we see the disaster unfolding today.

Hehe, of course. Infinite intelligence is at work in the movement of the entire universe. It all moves as one. Your ego cannot do that. Your ego is very linear and limited. If you want to be maximally creative, you need to get your ego out of the way so that you are directly tapping the infinite intelligence which is truly running the entire show and is responsible for all spontaneous insight -- on which artistic creative genius depends. The genius isn't yours, it's God's. The problem is that you've been mistaking God's genius for your own, you sneaky Devil The Devil struggles to write good music. For God, it is effortless.

No, you are wrong about that. You actually have zero control in that example. The problem is that you're not actually being mindful of what is happening when the arm is getting activated to move. If you very carefully observed the thought process happening which leads to the raising of the arm, you'd see that it wasn't in your control. The problem here is that you're looking at the example from your existing paradigm of: "I have control". But that's just an unverified belief. You haven't actually bothered to investigate whether you have control or not. You just assume it, and so of course it seems like you do. Try looking at the situation from the opposite paradigm: "I have no control". Try raising your arm again, but this time VERY SLOWLY, and notice that you are in fact not in control of it. In fact, you haven't got the slightest idea of how your arm is raised. You have no idea how you are even summoning the desire to raise the arm, nor how you are telling the arm what to do.