Leo Gura

How would you know?

Eckhart Tolle never tells you about how evil Transformers may land on the planet from another galaxy and battle you for domination of the world. Why! Why! Why did you not warn me of the Transformers, Tolle????! Damn you! And the dinosaurs!!! Why did you not warn me about the genetically engineered dinosaurs what would break loose from their cages and prevent me from reaching enlightenment??? Tolleeeeee!!!!

At least we can rest assured that we now have a confirmed torturer as head of the CIA. I have a good idea for how to torture people: give them 10 tabs of LSD. At least then maybe they will come back loving you. I should patent that method. "Leo's Psychedelic Torture Recipe" (tm) As a bonus, it leaves no trail of evidence that later needs to be destroyed.

@vanish Haha, sounds intense man. Welcome to true spirituality There is still deeper to go though. Realizing no-self is but one facet of this thing.

@Angelo John Gage Yeah, I've skimmed over that one before. Good thing that high levels of consciousness are not much compatible with the evil shit the CIA is up to. They tried to use psychedelics too to create super-soldiers, without much success. The soldiers started loving everyone too much to shoot them. Lol

No, don't bastardize spiritual techniques with laziness. "Leo, can I do mindfulness meditation with labeling while eating a Big Mac and snorting cocaine off a stripper's tits?"

That's a good start. The most profound levels of happiness come from ego loss and selflessness.

As a METAPHOR, it's good. If you want to go beyond the metaphor, the real thing is happening all around you. Just look around your room. That's it! That precisely what actual Infinity looks like. If you see your dog licking its nuts in the corner of your room, that's infinity.

Think of it this way: if you went to a college calculus lecture where the professor was talking about integrals and derivatives, but you were a 2nd grader who didn't even understand negative numbers, fractions, decimals, long division, algebra, polynomials, geometry, and trigonometry -- you would be so lost that it would seem to you like the professor was talking nonsense and just writing scribbles on the wall. You might even think the professor is insane. And any questions you asked would be coming from such a deep place of ignorance and inexperience that there would be no way to easily explain to you the error of your understanding, because each answer would only raise a dozen more questions. Because complex and nuanced topics require a deep foundation of prior experience. Asking questions about consciousness or infinity without at least a few years of meditation experience is as silly as a 2nd grader asking about calculus.

The issue isn't earning a bit more money. Any money psychedelics earned would be a drop in the bucket. The collapse would come because psychedelics reveal that all of society and culture is built on lies of the grossest sort. The entire military-industrial complex, Wall street, Big Pharma, entertainment industries, the medical industry, science, academia, the school system, factory farming, intelligence agencies, government surveillance programs, government torture programs, pollution, oil and gas industries, and all of religion would be debunked and undermined, shown to be evil and corrupt beyond repair. If people actually knew how corrupt and false our culture/society is, they would stage a revolution. That would only be AFTER the collapse of all the entrenched corrupt capitalist institutions mentioned above. They would created a bloody crackdown before they let that happen.

This is false. Awareness can and does exist in isolation. Awareness is precisely NOT the thing being awared. You can experience awareness with no object. The reason you say all of these falsehoods is because you're not very conscious, and haven't actually done any hardcore awareness practices. Spend 5 years meditating, then let's talk. You are not going to understand awareness/consciousness from within your materialist paradigm and without doing serious awareness practices. You don't realize yet how deep of a rabbit hole this awareness business is. It doesn't work like anything your culture taught you.

@WildeChilde The logic is, if you let people have free access to psychedelics, mainstream capitalist society will soon collapse.

The paradox is, if your #1 priority is happiness, you will never reach enlightenment. Your #1 priority must be truth. Then, as you go down the rabbit hole of truth, it will end up killing you, and then happiness will dawn. Happiness is incompatible with being a "you". That's problem. You want happiness, but to get happiness, you must first die. But the whole reason you're unhappy in the first place is because you're busy avoiding death. So you say you want happiness, but to get it, you will have go through the thing you fear the most. Which is why it's best to pursue enlightenment not for happiness, but for truth. Because you will have to surrender your notions of personal happiness to get to true happiness. What you currently think of as happiness isn't true happiness, which is why you're unhappy with it! If what you thought was happiness was real happiness, you'd be happy by now and this whole conversation would be moot. You wouldn't be here looking at Actualized.org Happiness is a very tricky thing, which is why almost no one has it. Also notice, truth too is a very tricky thing which very few people have. Hmmmmm.... might these two be connected??

A) No, it doesn't. B) Nonduality means there is no difference between ego and enlightenment. You are conflating being a good person with enlightenment. Those are two very different things. That's your ego's judgment. From the enlightenment perspective, there is no such thing as egoism or dysfunction. Devil = God

Lol

Lol Isn't that what everyone in society says?

No, I mean very very enlightened people who have deeply embodied their enlightenment. Most ordinary enlightened people are not conscious during their sleep. That will take additional consciousness work.

@Deep Yes, Sahaja is supposed to be a permanent Nirvikalpa.

It's actually impossible to be happy without thorough enlightenment. So the implications for one's personal life are enormous. They are not merely enormous, they are TOTAL. But of course there is no reason or moral imperative for pursuing the Truth. You are not "better" or "superior" for having discovered the Truth. There are not right or wrongs. And there are no reasons to do anything. Life is a sandbox MMORPG. Play it as you like. In fact, Truth and falsehood are ONE.

@egoless Sure, I guess. The mind will easily misinterpret advanced teachings. To really understand and appreciate the last 2 quantum mechanics videos will require a typical person a decade of study and practice. We are talking about levels of understanding which virtually no human being on the planet has accessed. It is very tricky stuff which has personally taken me decades to understand and has required my own death several times.

@Dino D Most mathematicians are also good people. But some of them are also rapists. Understanding of mathematics is indepedent of rape. You can do both. And most people will only do the former. It would be a mistake to say that if person X raped someone, he is a bad mathematician. Maybe he's a bad teacher, because teachers should also be good rolemodels. But his understanding of mathematical truths is untouched.

Nonduality does not depend on any authority and would be true even if tomorrow Einstein and Bohr were revealed to be charlatans. I appealed to their authority precisely because it might help convince arch-materialists because they will not be receptive to critiques coming form outside of science. But even so, most materialists would sooner discard the opinions of Einsteim and Bohr than re-evaluate their materialist dogma. Materialism is a religion. So it does not repond to reason or evidence. It's an unfalsifiable position by design. The mind does not play fair when defending it because, unbeknowst to the materialist, his very life hinges on it. Nonduality is not an argument or a proof. It is a fact of which you can become conscious if you wish. Brute facts are never proovable. Facts merely ARE. "Proof" is a psychological game which depends on how receptive your mind is. That would be your projection. I take no offense at this critique. It is just laughably off the mark. And I have deep compassion for his ignorance. I have devoted my whole life to helping people cure this ignorance. It always breaks my heart to see people intellectually shooting themselves in the foot. I know exactly where they are making their epistemic errors, but I cannot convince them of it because they lack the radical openmindedness necessary, because they fear ego-death. That is the tragedy of this whole thing. This guy is not even conscious of why he is closedminded. That is the tragedy of religion. So in the end, what can we do but laugh? Maya is a sneaky bitch. My experiences of nonduality are not going to be shaken by any rational critique. So critique away. All critiques are just a consequence of Infinity.

Be ware of confusing being enlightened with being a good human being or being a good teacher. These are all very different things. What you are talking about is the ideal of sainthood, which is WAY beyond enlightenment. You can be enlightened and not teach a single person. You can be enlightened and kill a human being with a fork and then eat him for breakfast. Those things are indepedent variables. Of course that doesn't make sense to you if you define enlightenment as saintliness. Osho's fruits are quite clearly on display in his writings.

I've had experiences of infinity while sleeping. It's cool stuff. But rare at this point. Masters are able to be conscious 24/7.

So what is the problem? You can't sit on chair?