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@ChimpBrain You complaining about Texas? Lol I lived in Texas for 5 years. Texas is a pretty diverse place. Sure, you got some cowboys, but the big cities like Dallas are not Blue. Very livable. And Austin is like San Francisco Green, with a yoga studio on every corner. Move to Austin and enjoy all the hippies you can stomach. I might move to Austin next year myself. Great town.

Pope Francis is another pretty good example of Blue. Although he too has some percentage of Green which gives him compassion and the value of equality. Blue + Green make for a very nice combo. Green tempers out Blue's harsh moralizing and us-vs-them thinking.

Perhaps, but that's hard to do. It would require a separate platform and most people wouldn't know how to use it.

Here's a what a very healthy version of Blue might look like. Of course Comey isn't pure Blue. He's got Orange and Green too. But his entire book and way of talking and carrying himself is a list of Blue keywords. Notice that Blue can be very stable and reliable. A good judge or executor of the law. A good defender of decency and ethical standards. Solid, like a rock.

Lots of blue collar workers: firefighters, good police people, good FBI officers, decent military folks, tax collectors, post office employees, hard working coal miners, etc. The 9/11 firefighters mights be one of the most positive examples. John McCain displays some positive aspects of Blue. James Comey and Robert Mueller display some positive aspects of Blue. At its best Blue can be very honest, decent, loyal, hard working, reserved, stable, dispassionate, incorruptable.

Fanatical Blue will not hesitate to kill people. This doesn't turn him Red, this is Blue functioning at its peak. Blue will crusade to kill infidels, and he won't feel bad abut it because he's vanquishing Satan's minions. Sinners deserve to go to Hell. There is to be no compassion for Satan's minions. Throwing a shoe at Satan is letting him off easy Did George W Bush feel bad about invading Iraq? Nope. He was doing God's work. The death of 100,000+ Iraqis is a small price to pay for protecting the kingdom of God.

Green's top value is equality, civil rights, and breaking down hierarchies. So slavery seems antithetical to that. Green is very critical of the wage slavery of capitalism. Although real slavery is much much less conscious than the "slavery" of capitalism. To call capitalism "slavery" does a disservice real slaves. Imagine someone like Bernie Sanders. He's not going to enslave anyone, even if he's given absolute power. But he will tax the rich to level the playing field. Which is why Blue & Orange hates him.

It's a function of consciousness. If collective consciousness is high enough, it will not happen. There is too much stage Green in America to allow for that. So unless you kill off all those Green people, it won't happen. Green would riot in the streets. We are already seeing a huge backlash from Green against Trumpism, and Trump hasn't done anything even close to that. Even the most conservative Republicans do not want slavery back. Because they are too evolved for that. But 200 years ago, it could have happened. That's how much collective consciousness has grown.

@Prabhaker Sorry, Joseph has out-humbled and out-wizened us all

So you support women having the legal rights of dogs? How would you feel about that if you were born a woman in the next life?

Almost certainly.

No! Lol Hitler, Bin Laden, al Baghdadi, Atilla the Hun, and Caligula also ran massive organizations. That is NOT systems thinking.

It does for me. I thought it did for you too.

I understand the idea. There is nothing to improve from the Absolute perspective. You're already perfect. But this is not mutually exclusive with personal development. You can and should do both. You don't need to be "flawed" in order to grow, learn, and evolve your lifestyle and modes of behavior. You can be a perfect human being, and still not know how to play the piano, and then decide to learn to play master piano. Wanting to learn to play master piano is not egotism, unless you make it such.

I guess they can be Red at super extremes, but I'm talking about mainstream feminism. Just like I would not classify PUA as Red but Orange, I would classify feminism as Green. Because feminism seeks the values of Green for the most part. I don't think your average feminist wants women to dominate men. She wants equality. And your average PUA wants to bang a bunch of hot girls (which is pure Orange).

Maybe so you don't die of excess alcohol consumption?

@SFRL PUA is mostly unhealthy Orange. An example of Red PUA would be a PUA who actually rapes or beats a woman. This isn't simply manipulative behavior, it's thuggish criminal behavior, which is Red. And I have met such PUAs. But most PUAs are not that low. They are mostly Orange. They will manipulate and lie, but within limits. The reason Julien got into hot water is because he was glorifying borderline Red behavior. And people rightly got outraged. Abusing and humiliating women is counter-productive to PUA, not to mention deeply unconscious, and terrible PR. Of course there are a lot of positives to Blue (especially relative to Red). I focused on negatives in the video because the point of talking about the stages is to help people see the limitations of each stage, so they can be motivated to transcend. If I had to choose between living in a Red or Blue society, I would choose Blue. I agree, the Medieval church was not as backwards as many people today believe. The Medieval church was trying to spread enlightenment, in a twisted way. Actualized.org is basically just a modern version of the Medieval church. Less focus on torture of heretics, more focus on psychedelics and yoga

@SFRL You're not quite grasping how Spiral stages work. They are not good or bad. Green is not supposed to be "good" or "evolved" or "better than" or immune to excess. Feminism is Green, AND there are healthy and unhealthy ways in which Green manifests. An unhealthy manifestation of Green does not knock it down to Orange or Red. It's just excessive Green. Men who are stuck in Orange have a really hard time understanding feminism. Too much judgment clouds their vision. Feminism is simply the desire of women to break down the traditional alpha-male value dominate hierarchy and gain parity with males. Women want to be heard after centuries of being ignored and shut up. Sometimes they take it too far. Without feminism, you get stuff like Saudi Arabia not letting women drive cars or open bank accounts. So feminism is very necessary for building a more fair society. And if you were a repressed woman, you'd likely resonate with feminism. Imagine your daughter not being able to vote or drive a car simply because your tradition forbids it. Not very nice. Imagine your daughter getting raped, but then her testimony in court against the rapist doesn't count, because she is a woman, and a man's testimony carries 5x more weight by law, so the rapist goes free. Would you be cool with that? How would that make you feel if you were the woman who got raped? Maybe that would make you a feminist?

A deep stage Yellow strategic thinker in action

Feminism is Green.

@Rilles Shoo with you!

@Sea A stage Yellow person is never going to revert back to stage Blue. It's sort of like leaving a cult. Once you are conscious enough, re-joining a cult cannot work on you. For example, there is no way that Albert Einstein or Barrack Obama could become an ISIS Jihadist (unless maybe his brain is damaged). It would never happen because he's too conscious for that. You're not going to see a stage Orange society revert back to stage Red. America is never going to become a theocracy like Saudi Arabia, for example. Etc. Temporary regression is possible in the sense that one may still not be stabilized at one's level. For example, America leaned Green with electing Obama, and then regressed back down to Blue/Orange with electing Trump. But this was not a change in America's level of development, it was just a difference of expression. America is evolving up the Spiral. America is not going to be Blue in 100 years as much as it will be Green. So to say that there is no directionality would be very misleading. There will never be a time when slavery and Jim Crow laws get re-instated. That ship has long sailed for Americans. When you are angry/fearful, you will express lower stages than when you are joyful and confident. So there's that additional wrinkle. For example, if America experiences a new great depression, or a nuclear attack, then the population will be angry and fearful, so they will skew more conservative, more Blue, more authoritarian. BTW, Clare Graves' understanding of Spiral Dynamics was itself limited because he was not a nondual mystic. He didn't really understand the connection between Spiral Dynamics and Consciousness. My explanations of Spiral Dynamics are not just a parroting of someone else's theory, but my understanding of it, which is informed by my nondual experiences. And very importantly, being at higher levels is not "good" or "better". Turquoise is no "better" than Red. At the highest levels of nonduality you will have unconditional acceptance for all stages, all "evils", all ignorance. You, as God, are EVERYTHING, with no better than, worse than, or lesser. A human is not better than an ape or a dinosaur or a pig. Yes, Spiral Dynamics can easily be abused, like any model. As far as models go, Spiral Dynamics is a very complex and nuanced one, with lots of subtlety, which can easily be misapplied unless you study it very closely. There is a tendency to oversimplify Spiral Dynamics. To apply Spiral Dynamics properly you need to be a solid stage Yellow. Lower stages will tend to misapply it. Is Spiral Dynamics limited? Of course. Is Spiral Dynamics the Absolute Truth? Of course not. Is Spiral Dynamics helpful for growing yourself and your society? Very much so, if you apply it carefully. Can Spiral Dynamics be abused to justify all sorts of judgments and evils? Of course.

@lmfao That is hilarious Just be careful not to turn it into a stereotype of all Muslims.