Leo Gura

Infinity cannot be different.

There are no sides. There are scientific projections which predict 1-10 ft of sea level rise which will leave millions homeless, or there is propaganda paid for by corporations with vested interest in denying such studies.

@Geromekevin You still aren't getting it.

@purerogue Read the scientist and government reports.

@Beeflamb Sounds like you've barely scratched the surface of nonduality. Try 5-MeO-DMT to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

@purerogue Millions of people will die, but okay.

@purerogue And maybe if you were slapped upside the head it might be good for you.

I have warned you guys. But you refuse to listen. The Buddha wasn't talkin shit on a forum but starving himself to death in the forest.

@Elisabeth That's good progress, now figure out what that abstraction really means in concrete real-world terms. You should be able to frame your impact statement in such a way that a child understands what your impact is on the world.

This issue is answered in the course.

It's just like deep sleep, unless maybe they don't give you enough gas.

@Serotoninluv Nowhere is your true nature

Lol, that is the ox. And you are it.

"Illusion", "reality", "existence", "God" are themselves categories. It all collapses into Absolute Oneness. Within this Oneness nothing can be distinguished. It is pure undifferentiation. It contains all things. Like how white light contains all possible colors of light.

@traveler Why make it so complicated? The situation is simple: Either there is Truth or there isn't. If there is Truth you want to know what this Truth is. Pursue the Truth regardless of whatever. Truth is Truth is Truth. If knowing the Truth is wrong then you shouldn't want continue living. Let nothing stand in the way between you and Truth. Period. Truth can only be found if it occupies #1 priority in your heart. What use if family if it means giving up Truth? Can you see that without Truth nothing else matters? Nothing matters if you cannot distinguish it from falsehood.

@LastThursday You are not. The deeper question being asking here is, What is reality? That question can be answered, but it's one hell of an epiphany. Don't expect it to come easily. If you still believe in a watcher, you haven't realized no-self yet. Everything is nowhere and nothing.

@Antonius Better to have too much knowledge than too little. You just have a lot to implement.

A) Spirituality is full of traps no matter how you slice it. B) This problem is solved through studying diverse sources and having maps like the Zen ox-herding pictures and Spiral Dynamics. The greater danger with the way you are presenting enlightenment -- as total mastery -- is that people will always fall short of the fantasy, including yourself. Which then produces guilt and suffering. What you are really talking about is totally emotional mastery, and that is VERY different than enlightenment. It is significantly harder and a lot of people can become very frustrated chasing that. This sort of all-or-nothing approach is counter-productive and fills newbies with fantastical ideas of becoming perfect human beings after awakening. The fact is, you will awaken long before you become a perfect human being. Because these are independent variables. By all means pursue mastery. But make a distinction between it and awakening. If your definition of enlightenment excludes Ramana Maharshi, Shinzen Young, Osho, etc. you might want to rethink your definition.

Firstly, many gurus are not at stage Yellow integral cognitive development. Secondly, it is against the guru's business and marketing self-agenda to expose you to 100s of diverse sources. It is in his business interest to create a captive audience, a monopoly. Thirdly, exposure to 100s of diverse sources was almost impossible before the internet age. Be careful not to take this for granted. These days you guys are spoiled rotten with 100s of sources.

@Arhattobe It is problematic to conflate the realization of Absolute Truth with the development and perfection of the human body/mind. These are two very distinct things. By making this conflation, as you say, no one is enlightened, because your definition of enlightenment has become an idealistic fantasy. There are many lines and stages of human development alongside many states and degrees of consciousness. Nonduality can be grasped at many depths, it has multiple facets, and the realization of all those insights will not automatically make you a perfect human being. The way we use the terms enlightenment/awakening on this forum is to mean: the realization of no-self, God, Infinity, or Absolute Oneness. That life is a dream. This can happen and you can still have all sorts of fetters, bad behaviors, and psychological stuff. In fact, that's almost guaranteed. We do not use the word enlightenment to mean, "The total purifcation of karma and mind", or total mastery. Total mastery is a pipedream for most people and will take you 30+ years of industrial-grade practice. Enlightenment occurs when one catches the Ox. Not at picture #10. This is why the ox-herding pictures and Spiral Dynamics are so useful.

The solution to emotions is to observe them mindfully. But of course this takes years of practice. There are also emotions of the higher self which pull you up to spiritual pursuits. But they are often drowned out by negative emotions like fear, anger, envy, greed, lust, etc.

The distinction between self/other is a concept, and it will collapse. Leaving only one thing: YOU! Your mother is a concept. In fact, she is actually you. You came out of your own vagina. Ta-da! Yes, this freaky to realize. It can feel like you're all alone. That's right! God is all alone. But do not confuse this with solipsism.

@Speedscarlet Of course. But "feeling better" is not a good measurement. Rather, how conscious are you of how your emotions manipulate you.

At good way to view emotions: Emotions are self-manipulations to maintain the self's survival agenda.

Part of the problem with Green is getting lost in relativity: "everything's relative so anything goes. Let's let criminals run loose and do whatever they want." No! All POVs have some partial truth, BUT not all POV are equally functional. Some POVs are really pathological, dangerous, and limiting to upward mobility on the Spiral. Green is a more evolved and healthier POV than Orange, but Green still has its limits and problems. Your Orange friend is slightly more deluded than you. And it can be useful to point out his delusion to him.