Leo Gura

Just notice how much people LOVE to disagree about nonduality. "Bro, my nonduality is twice as big as your nonduality." "Nah, bro. My nonduality is nonduality times infinity." "Shut up bro, my nonduality is nonduality times infinity to infinity." "Bro, that's not nonduality, that's just your mystical experience. Who's the one aware of your nonduality?"

Sure, that's a possible path. But what I teach with Actualized.org is a DIY approach to life and spirituality. Be your own guru sorta thing. That's my bias. Do whatever you want. You will anyway.

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Everyone who is not conscious of what reality is, who he is, what God is, and how the mind works, is a devil. As long as you realize the above, hold whatever opinions you want. There are also many degrees of devilry. So it's not all the same. Most people are minor devils. A few are big fat devils, like Trump. When people have a big following, like JP, they will get more push back for their devilry because it has the potential to create many minor devils out of the sheep. The converse is also true. Angels who gather big followings will also get enormous push back because they will disturb the devil's plans. A big angel is of greater threat to society than the biggest fattest devils. Devils can mostly tolerate their own. What they cannot tolerate is brightly glowing angels.

@NoSelfSelf You are missing that you are member of society whether you like it or not, whether you're enlightened or not. Society can only function when its citizens are well-educated and conscious. If the most conscious people stick their head in the sand and only focus on making their own personal lives work consciously, then society will be seized by the most unconscious right-wing nationalist tyrants. That's how Hitler and WWII happens. As a human being you have to take responsibility for your role within a collective. Personal enlightenment is good but not good enough! Which is why enlightened masters become Bodhisattvas, to help elevate the rest of mankind. They are playing a much bigger game than their own personal enlightenment. Personal enlightenment is a cake walk compared to enlightening society. If you are the whole universe, then you are also society. You cannot treat yourself as only an individual unit, only a personal human life. You are also the collective! The life of all beings is your responsibility. You are God after all. How can you neglect your creation? Are you really going to sit by and watch devilry prevail? No! You cannot. It is actually impossible. Love and consciousness will move you to towards the highest Good. To be fully conscious is to take responsibility for EVERYTHING to the point where you are willing to lay your life down for the greater Good. That is literally God's work. God did not design this wondrous creation through negligence or selfishness.

No, there is politics at every stage of the Spiral. By being ignorant of politics and world events you are putting yourself into the worst possible position and dooming society to remain unconscious. You cannot avoid politics any more than you can avoid metaphysics. You're already doing it. The only question is, how conscious is your politics? Sticking your head in the sand is precisely why our politics is so ugly.

@Not me Most right-wing politics is very reactionary and grounded in fear. But when the left-wing gets totally out of hand, then right-wing politics will have some value. For example, if true communists take over the government and call for totally abolishing private property, then right-wing ideas will be an important countervailing force to bring things back into balance. But we are nowhere close to that yet in America. We basically have zero truly communist political leaders here. Not sure about how things are in Finland. The right-wing loves to portray moderate Democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders as radical communists. But that's just their fear reaction, not reality. Hell, they called Obama a Muslim socialist, LOL! People don't appreciate what true socialism is: it's the abolition of all private means of production. Almost not country has that and almost no leader calls for that. Because it's not practical. Even China and North Korea don't have true socialism. A highly conscious person will not be right-wing, but she will also be wary of the excesses and dogmas of the left-wing. Left-wing is predominately stage Green, and stage Green definitely has some important blind spots and limitations. You cannot have stage Green run amok without any countervailing force or there will be problems. But the right-wing tends to over-exaggerate this threat.

@andyjohnsonman A nice newbie trip

Even if you stay in a cave, people will come to kiss your feet and worship you. Ramana Maharshi lived in a cave. He had thousands of followers coming to kissing his ass. It's actually not so easy to be a recluse. You will become famous just for being a recluse. So it's not so simple.

Very good. That is a first small step. There will be many more steps in your journey. Hang in there and keep going deeper. Feeling low will pass. Keep your eye on the big picture. And don't forget to be kind to yourself and love yourself. Acknowledge the enormous progress you've made. Try to enjoy this whole process. Don't turn it into a grind or an obligation. Pursue Truth/Love/Consciousness joyfully!

No! That is so backwards. You are condemning all teachers of enlightenment as somehow inferior, when it is actually the opposite. They are exhibiting the highest Love, making sacrifices for you. There is nothing wrong with not teaching or living in a cave. But there is also nothing wrong with teaching and living in a city. People have different callings and paths. There is no one superior path. You pick the path which most aligns with who you want to be. Don't expect everyone to follow the same path. Don't expect everyone to follow your path.

A) I have no problem with Sadhguru. He is clearly doing God's work in a masterful way. B) With that said, you can still easily gets bamboozled, not by him, but by your own mind's worshiping of him. It's precisely because he's so good that you will tend to become dependent on him as your spiritual daddy/authority, which would create a subtle duality in your consciousness and prevent you from thinking independently and walking your own unique path. C) I have gotten guidance under many real gurus. After I get my guidance I go my own way. I don't hang around to fawn over them, nor do I expect them to do my work for me. I also realize the partiality of any guru's teachings. The better the teacher, the greater the problem. See that?

There's nothing wrong with pissing into the wind, said the devil, just as he unzipped his fly and pulled out his...

This is God's sandbox. God doesn't need anyone to validate his work. His work is to please himself and be himself. His creation is his own gift to himself. How else could it be? It's not that there are no other people. It's that all people are yourself.

This has never been about the money. It's about helping people understand reality. You might as well ask, why didn't Jesus or Gandhi retire and live in a cabin in the woods? They had much higher callings. Do not confuse these callings for ego. That would be a big mistake. God does its work through conscious people. How else do you think Goodness happens?

JP is a thing simply because most of American society is at stage Blue/Orange and refuses to evolve up into Green. So JP provides them the perfect justifications and rationalizations for why Blue/Orange is the best and why Green is evil and dangerous, so that people can feel comfortable not growing higher. JP is an anti-Green devil, and like all devils, he himself does not understand what he is doing or why he is doing it. He thinks he is doing good. But his ego is distorting the good that is in his heart, thus leading millions of people into devilry. This is a textbook example of how devilry works.

@Sauvik You are God. You get to create whatever you want. You can create a personal heaven or personal hell. Up to you. You have infinite freedom and power. Whatever you decide will be what gets created. How else do think God works? You think God can ask his neighbor what he should create? You think God can open some book which tells him what is right, what is wrong, what is meaningful, what is valuable? God has no one to ask but himself since God is all alone. God literally makes it all up from thin air. Ta-da!

Pentacostals and evangelicals do group spiritual experiences too. Clearly it works to some degree. But will it really make you deeply enlightened? That's the real question. Or will it make you worship Sadhguru? Take some mushrooms and you don't need Sadhguru or any guru.

The key is not the small town itself, the key is being out in nature. Nature is conducive to spirituality as it is uncorrupted by the stench of ego.

There is not one strategy, there are many You could focus on gaining financial security first and then go hog-wild on spirituality. Or you could do just the opposite. It really depends on what your heart wants and what you can handle. It can be very painful to force yourself to work on mundane financial stuff when you are itching to be creative or spiritual. Then again, if your financial situation collapses, that might force you into slave labor and out of your spiritual quest. Again, depending on who you are. The most spiritually gifted people will never be stopped by financial concerns. But that's not most people. You have to be realistic about what you're gonna be able to handle. If you want the most direct path to the highest human life, drop everything and go balls deep into spirituality. But that's very hardcore and too difficult for most people to pull off. Most people won't be able to handle it. Hence there are more gradual approaches. Personally, I focused on locking in financial freedom first. But it was pretty painful, to be honest. I would not wish that kind of pain on anyone. But it sure beats being a wage slave.

@Surfingthewave Are you sure it was awakening? What did you become conscious of? We can't just accept on face value that what happened to you was actually awakening unless you explain it in more detail.

It is easier to get enlightened out in nature than in a busy building full of people. There's a reason yogis meditate up in the mountains and forests. Nature has a tranquilizing effect on the mind. But don't make this an excuse. You can practice spirituality anywhere. The problem with rural areas is that the people there will be more closeminded and rednecky. Don't go telling them you're God, or they might hang you. City-folk are more tolerant and open, but more lost in the materialist race rat.

You're missing the bigger picture. Your understanding of what life purpose is is far too small. Life purpose is not a materialistic thing, life purpose is the highest spiritual thing! Your spiritual love IS the source of your life purpose. Stop pitting spirituality and LP against each other. You just need to upgrade your LP to reflect your new spiritual values and orientation. Life purpose is an expression of your soul. It has nothing to do with money or career per se. How is your new spiritual awareness going to impact the world??? You're not here to sit around listening to birds chirp for 60 years. You are here to be a creator. What do you want to create?

This sounds like every man on Earth! Fear of commitment and intimacy. If he's not willing to give you the proper relationship you want, then move on to someone else. Trying to force a fit is going to turn out badly for both of you. You can't force a mule to drink water. He has to want it. You need to own your agenda more. Be clear with yourself and with him what you want. If this scares him off, then it was never going to work anyway. If he was really into you and was serious about relating with another human being, he shouldn't be scared off. You can't fix men. You gotta find a man who already shares your values. One of your values is relationship while it sounds like that's not one of his values. You need to decide for yourself, not against yourself. Don't bend over backwards for him. He needs to be clear about what he wants out of this. Relationship requires a conscious decision. Both parties have to be willing to invest time and energy into it. It can't be a casual after-thought like, "Okay, we'll try it, but if there is any inconvenience to me, I'm out." No! No! No! It cannot work that way.

Dude, you're whole paradigm is backwards. I have no desire to steal girls from anyone, nor do I even care much about dating or sex. It's just not a high priority once you become conscious enough. Sex and money are the preoccupations of children who have not yet discovered what life is really about. PUAs are childish devils. You cannot be a PUA otherwise.