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@Rilles No, I am making meta points about how easily your mind distorts what you see. I have no loyalty to Mooji and I have no idea what he is like in person. Neither do you unless you met him.

@PatternsFormThought You have been warned and if you keep spreading ignorance here agressively will get you banned. Be here with an open mind to learn, not to spread your ideas. I have no interest in retorting you given your attitude and arrogance.

@PatternsFormThought The way you frame this whole topic is trolling and demonstrates a lack of nuance. If you want to discuss things feel free to start specific threads, but just ranting against meditation or enlightenment without acknowledging the vast diversity of legit spiritual paths is just spreading your own ignorance. Nuance! Naunce! Nuance! All of this is much more complicated than you currently understand. Be here to learn, not to rant.

Again, observe your reactivity and projections. You are behaving like a devil and you are fooling no one here with such ego games.

That is true. I merely skimmed it. Go back and read my comment again. I did not simply defend Mooji, I made a meta point about this whole topic. Whatever wrongs Mooji may have made the journalist does not understand the much deeper dynamics which underlie spiritual movements. This is a very nuanced and complex matter. Legit spiritual teachers are very easy to demonize. I did not miss that. But you have to be mindful of your own projections here. Having sex freely does not necessarily mean anything bad. Monogamous sex is your own standard and expectation. Most of this relative and subjective. Forcing people from leaving is a serious problem if true. I said so myself. I do not like that approach to spirituality, but you must also understand that worship is a legit spiritual path for many people (bhakti yoga). It is not a path I would encourage but people have done it for thousands of years, and it can produce results. It's not merely ass-kissing. Again, a relative matter. What exactly does "smuggling" mean here? Running a community requires lots of money. Somewhat problematic but not too bad. This would be common to virtually all spiritual communities/monasteries/gurus. Again, you have to factor out your own projections, judgments, and the journalist's ignorance and bias about how spiritual communities work. ------- None of this is a defense of Mooji. It seems his community has some cult-like features. But you need to look at it without judging it if you really want to underatand it. This is a meta point. I have no loyalty to Mooji.

Watch your projections. I engage people in discussion more than any other Youtuber alive. I have answered tens of thousands of peoples critiques, questions, and comments. It is almost a full-time job because the ignorance and devilry from some of you guys has no end. If you understood what a cult really was you would realize Actuized.org is nowhere close to a cult and will never become one so long as I'm alive. What you guys do after I'm dead is another matter.

Holon

This would be a big mistake. War is a real thing (as part of the dream). And sometimes it requires action from you, depending on the situation. Just because you're enlightened does not mean you become immune to survival threats. Sometimes, yes. Depends on the details of the situation. Some wars are aggressive and unnecessary. Some wars are defensive and prevent even greater damage in the future. For example, letting Hitler conquer Europe and execute all the Jews would have been a mistake (relative to human life). You have to be careful not to conflate relative and absolute matters. This requires nuance. Simplistic solutions such as: no war ever, will actually result in greater evil. Violence must be done consciously. Which is very tricky to pull off. This is the problem of good and fair policing and justice. The process is easily corrupted by devils. But a world with 7 billion egos and zero police cannot work.

Yes I don't care about the reading rate. I care about understanding the material and enjoying the process.

War is a very complex thing. Do not boil it down to simply ego. You must both: 1) Understand the uselessness of war. 2) Understand the necessity of war. When a tyrant has captured your country and enslaved half your people, you will understand the necessity of war.

No, I read normally because I find it more enjoyable. Plus the kind of stuff I read these days is not be skimmed. It's to be deeply studied, underlined, contemplated, and re-read again. The top rated books on my book list are worth re-reading several times. And they must be studied, not just read. A few of my top rated books need to be re-read 5 times just to start to understand their full potential. Understand that reading is not a binary thing, like, Did you read that book? Yes/no? Reading has many degrees of comprehension to it. Do not make a mockery of reading by boiling it down to a quantitative measure like number of pages or books read. It's not enough to read, you must deeply study, contemplate, and do exercises.

Do not post on this forum while high.

Do not joke about this. I've told you guys many times before not to turn this into a cult. It is important that you guys appreciate the dangers of that and play your part in avoiding it.

Worshiping is a dangerous path. I would like to see Mooji discouraging it. As for exorcisms, that's a standard spiritual practice. If you do lots of shamanic breathing / Holotropic breathing you will understand what exorcism means. There are two problems happening here simultaneously: 1) Worshiping and cult dynamics truly are dangerous and can easily get out of hand. 2) Spirituality is very deep and complex, and to an outsider or "normie", legit spiritual teachings, techniques, and behaviors can seen insane and even criminal when really they aren't. For example, it's true that Mooji is God. But so is everyone who's worshiping him. It seems like some of the stuff Mooji is doing is unhealthy. Yet at the same time it's probably healthier than what mainstream society is doing. So it's never black & white, as with Osho's ashram. A large ashram will have a lot of political games going on because it's like a small society. Running a small society is very thorny. You also have to take into account that some of the people who come to him for help are deeply troubled. They might already be suicidal, depressed, or in deep suffering. So you can't just blame all that on Mooji.

Be nuanced. Not everything is survival. We talk about survival precisely so that we can distinguish it from not-survival/being.

This forum is not the place for such technical questions.

Sam Harris understands less than you think he does.

Ironically, suicide is usually an act motivated by survival. It is motivated by suffering. And suffering is survival.

Pretty accurate stuff. Of course TES metaphysics was taken from Hindu philosophy, which tends to be quite truthful.

Sam Harris is a good real world example of what happens when a stage Orange person has some mystical/nondual experiences. It's not all that deep. Rather surface level spirituality. But still better than nothing. At least he advocates for meditation. But he does not understand the full depth of this work. There are many degrees of wokeness.

I don't read fast nor do I skim books. I tend to read books in their entirity. Reading many books takes 10+ years. It's a long-term project.

@ColdFacts You cannot get the result of awakening without awakening. The solution to your questions is to awaken. Do it. Don't talk about it.

@ColdFacts What you have to wonder is how does a human come into existence at all? You are taking this completely for granted. A human simply cannot be at all unless as God pretending to be a human. God has to play stupid so to speak because there is and never could be an actual material reality. Creation is imagination and illusion. Your deeper issue is that you are not doing serious self-inquiry so you are not conscious that you are God. This problem cannot be solved for you in any other way but to awaken. You will NEVER figure it out mentally as you are trying to do. All your reasoning will be wrong and irrelevant. So do the practices! This is not a matter of philosophy.

@Cody_Atzori Hehe, tis good, but if you were impressed by that, actual enlightenment will make you shit your pants

Free will vs no free will is yet another duality. The way the whole question is framed is fundamentally dualistic and silly because it assumes there is more than one entity. If there only exists one entity/object, does it have free will or not? See? It's an absurd question because anything it is, is identical with its will. There is no other outside it that could control it. The whole notion of control breaks down because control requires two objects: a controller and the controllee. This cannot hold if nonduality is the case. Being and Will turn out to be identical in a nondual state of consciousness.