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@Craigxt22 5-MeO can definitely show you that your body is made out of Infinite Love. Yes you are! Silly... That is what will heal you.

@electroBeam As I said elsewhere, Spiral Dynamics does not model mysticism. So when you start applying it to Jesus and Buddha it won't make much sense. Spiral Dynamics sort of assumes as a baseline states of consciousness which are roughly material. If you do a lifetime of yoga or psychedelics it will all fly apart, at least while you're in those higher states.

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@soos_mite_ah Do you, girl.

No We have to be careful not to muddle things up. They are very different systems.

He who acquired it should be prepared. Don't share psychedelics with normies.

@Eren Eeager This is so 2016.

A place you probably didn't even know existed:

A new pair of shoes will feel uncomfortable the first few weeks you wear them.

You confuse me with Moses.

Deconstructing reality is part of the ego-deconstructing process. The point, though, is not to keep deconstructing reality, but to explore and interconnect it. You may have realized no-self, but there's still a ton of stuff you're not conscious of.

Yes, of course! That's classic Yellow. Understanding > relationships When you're more excited by a new model than you are about sex, you're Yellow

Of course it is! If you were truly selfless you wouldn't care about suffering. The avoidance of suffering is the epitome of survival, since suffering itself is survival. Paradoxically, the only way to transcend suffering is to stop caring about it. God doesn't really care about suffering. Which is why it exists.

If you're gonna watch Dumb and Dumber, at least make it the original

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Why care about suffering? Why boil down God's Creation to the escape from suffering? Can you see how reductive, lame, and selfish that is? When you adopt an attitude of only caring about things in order to avoid them causing your suffering, this is biggest disrespect you can do upon God. It's like caring about a rose only to avoid its thorns.

@Akemrelax Of course I made that distinction clear. But there is a further issue/question of how much genuine mystical understanding is present at Turquoise according to the official Spiral Dynamics narrative. It seems to be possible to be at Turquoise while mystically/spiritually clueless. And my explanation didn't account for such a travesty. Part of the problem is that we have so few Turquoise examples to analyze and the official narrative is not very clear as to where genuine mystical insight and nondual understanding falls on the model. The deeper question is: What does spirituality look like at Yellow and Turquoise?

Jawas

Tusken Raiders!

@electroBeam You make valid points. In retrospect, I did conflate them and I might re-shoot the Turquoise video to correct for that. At the time of shooting, I felt that ultimately we have to push towards nondual and mystical understanding, which requires leaving behind the Spiral model. Basically once you get to Yellow+, you should start seriously getting into nonduality and mysticism and transcend all models. Spiral Dynamics cannot give us the deepest levels of understanding and development that we seek. So I was trying to bridge that gap. Ken Wilber's model is actually better. The problem with Spiral Dynamics is that the people who invented it and teach it are not themselves awakened or mystical. This severely limits their understanding of human development. Ken Wilber has corrected for that.

No they don't. Green, Orange, and Blue are not aware of the value and function of the lower stages. Yellow is. The Tier 1 stages are reactive and unaware that people are at various stages of development. Yellow is self-aware in a way that no previous stage is.

The world of Zelda is inspired by Shinto Japan. It's full of shrines and animistic spirituality. Fairy fountains, magical totems, white and black magic, voodoo, elemental spirits, etc. Life at Purple can feel like living in a magical, enchanted world.